[threadbear]

For you esoterically bent peak oilers. I found this kind of interesting, especially in how he qualified the disaster. Not caused by nuclear war, couldn't figure out the cause of the disaster. Note the date

6/12/63
Gasoline is unavailable, electric power has been shut off. there is a great sense of fatality among everyone. It doesn't seem to be the product of atomic war, and there is no concern as to radioactive fallout. There is principally a feeling of doom and the breakup of civilization as we know it due to something momentous having taken place, a factor beyond human control.

Monroe adds, "I hope some of them are hallucinations."

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/

[engulfthemanatee]

I know of Robert Monroe. Pretty interesting things he's discovered, if you can get past the New Agey approach. But that's interesting about his vision...I actually didn't know he was into predicting the future, but that puts a little more credibility into it knowing it's coming from Monroe.

[threadbear]

Manatee, Check the link too, Rigorous Intuition. The best in terms of cleverly articulated and sophisticated thoughts about the esoteric and conspiracy. If you like Robert Monroe, Jeff Wells, the author of this blog, will blow your socks off.

[hotsacks]

Wells is brilliant.
Posters to the RI forum are...not.

[eric_b]

Monroe... hey I'm familiar with this guy!

Did he write a book years ago - 'journeys out of the body' or something
like that? Astral projection and all that. It was interesting... he claims
everybody has an 'energy double' and that one can learn to 'travel
out of the body'... OBE?

Anyway, that's an interesting precog dream of his... sure sounds like PO, eh?

I used to get precog dreams from time to time. I found them disturbing
and didn't really have any control over the process. Usually they would
just turn out to be about mundane stuff anyway. Except for that one
really depressing dream I had about the Oceans of the world dying...
sure hope that wasn't precog.

There's also this time I dream I was having a really intense trip (on Acid,
sitting on dock by the lack). Sure enough, a few months later I ended up
tripping balls on a dock just like in the dream. When I tried to tell this
to some friends this just told me 'nah, you're just tripping...' lol

Anyway, I've found that smoking lots of pot eliminates most of these
disturbing dreams. I've already decided humanities future is bleak and
don't want anymore glimpses of what may be ahead.

[threadbear]

Hotsacks I haven't looked at his forum. Did you find some commonality among his posters that made them seem stupid?

[hotsacks]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'H')otsacks I haven't looked at his forum. Did you find some commonality among his posters that made them seem stupid?

[threadbear]

I think, Hot Sacks, you may be prejudging matters you know little about. The truth is surrounded by a body guard of the fantasy prone, true. But the truth could be much nuttier than you or I or even they could imagine. The deeper you get the blurrier it becomes.

[hotsacks]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I') think, Hot Sacks, you may be prejudging matters you know little about. The truth is surrounded by a body guard of the fantasy prone, true. But the truth could be much nuttier than you or I or even they could imagine. The deeper you get the blurrier it becomes.

[threadbear]

I regard most of this stuff as rather odd myself, Hotsacks, but categorizing people as sane or insane based on their personal revelations can be quite difficult, particularly if mind control experimentation is done on psych patients, in order to provide cover and plausible deniability. Psyche patients have zero credibility.

Allow me to supply a link and this will illuminate what I'm saying about drawing a line between the sane and "real" experience and the insane or "unreal" experience and how this can be manipulated by someone running an operation. This story, btw, was front page news in every major Canadian paper when it broke and again when the CIA was successfully sued by former patients.

From the Scotsman newspaper:

My mother thought Cameron was God, he could do no wrong. Then the researchers turned up…
- Leslie Orlikow

It is illegal for the CIA to conduct operations on American soil, hence the intelligence agency's choice of Canada, through a "third party" – in this case Cornell University in New York – to funnel research funds into mind-control projects. The programme was often referred to as MKULTRA, a term developed after American prisoners-of-war in Korea returned home subscribing to Communist ideologies. Some GIs reported details of a "sleep room", where they were incarcerated, fed drugs and tortured.

Leslie Orlikow's mother, Velma, or Val as she was known, was just one of hundreds held without their consent in Cameron's own form of "sleep room".

Val, from Ottawa, and her husband, David, a Canadian member of parliament, now both deceased, and nine others were awarded a total of US$750,000 by the CIA in an out-of court settlement in 1988. In 2004, after a protracted legal battle, a Canadian judge ruled a further 250 victims, many deceased, would be allowed to seek compensation from a Canadian government that also is alleged to have funded the research. "

http://heritage.scotsman.com/ingenuity.cfm?id=1002006

Here is another example of disreputable framing of an incident to rob it of it's credibility. It's actually pretty funny, if alittle cruel. A retired mountie recalled in his memoires that if someone in his division wanted to beat someone up really bad, they'd get an officer to dress up in a pink bunny suit to do it. That sounds really credible now doesn't it? "I was arrested for drunk driving, taken down to the station and then a big pink bunny beat me up!!"....right.

[hotsacks]

Read in the light of clinical psychology,my posts re:RI can only be seen as barbrous and offensive.It wasn't my intention to belittle people with any sort of mental challenge other than the politically naiive.
I apologize to anyone who construed my posts as being anything more than an absurdist lampoon of belief systems I find incomprehensible.
Thank you threadbear for sticking up for those of us who usually go undefended,and for reminding me what's important.

[threadbear]

Reminding you what's important, Hotsacks? Like how to hang with the lizard people and not laugh at them? Lord, the next thing you know, you'll be attending David Icke seminars and chanting Wagnerian operas backwards.