welfare runs right up through the strata. I am in the gubmint as a GIS Analyst. The gubmint should have two functions. Technology services and environemntal regs. thats it maybe a couple of other duties.
The only way for the current human biomasss to be sustained for any period of time is through handouts. I am not sure folks understand the scale we are dealing with here. if nature and folks were to be self sufficient we would have blown out long ago. get ready once the gubmints go the time has come.
Folks I know of gubmint pigs that havent worked in ten years but get disability AND regular pay. they are ready to wrk but will not go back. multiply this by the thousands. get the picture. Middle class family spurts out 4 kids, Im paying for two of them. Two words to all the welfare whores: fuck you. U know how much I payed for fed taxes last pay check? 400 bucks. thats 400 x 12. where the fuck is this going. i aint seeing shit. I do not have access to the programs cuz I make too much money. Disgusting filthy vile world. If i ever here a whine form any corporate slut or any one for that matter pertainign to the "oh the costs" "whoa is me" BS I might just stick my boot up some ass. Very vile world. or how about the 10k property taxes in some parts of the country.
I have neve ronce took a andout and tried once after military service to get unemployment. They humiliated me and i walked out.
the human race is dying out. I am sorry too This is big reason why I do not cherish babies, kids and adults until I find out they they are not on some kind of welfare. same goes to corporations. small business I respect. they get hosed. however once I find out they are not on welfare my attitude changes towrds them.
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The Corporate Begging Bowl
Re: The Corporate Begging Bowl
by holmes » Thu 12 Jan 2006, 18:48:01
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Re: The Corporate Begging Bowl
by Specop_007 » Thu 12 Jan 2006, 20:06:11
Your forgetting though Toecutter, without corporations there would be NO taxes at all, because there would be NO money at all.
Thats why, to an extent, I can overlook corporate tax incentives. Corporations are what make the world go round. Sure, you can get that ole Liberal speel about how the corporations are evil and the corporations are theives and this and that and damn the corporations but the simple fact is without those "evil corporations" we'd still be walkin behind a horse with a plow.
Now who would you rather see tax incentives go to? A company that employess 50,000 people, paying taxes in a number of different states and bringing new products to market, or some shitbag that drinks beer all day watching football and goes to the store to buy smokes and steaks on our money?
Thats why, to an extent, I can overlook corporate tax incentives. Corporations are what make the world go round. Sure, you can get that ole Liberal speel about how the corporations are evil and the corporations are theives and this and that and damn the corporations but the simple fact is without those "evil corporations" we'd still be walkin behind a horse with a plow.
Now who would you rather see tax incentives go to? A company that employess 50,000 people, paying taxes in a number of different states and bringing new products to market, or some shitbag that drinks beer all day watching football and goes to the store to buy smokes and steaks on our money?
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Re: The Corporate Begging Bowl
by holmes » Thu 12 Jan 2006, 20:22:27
I agree mostly spec. However those corporations produce by products that we have to pay for. they do not pay for there social or biological ills that are left behind after they profit.
as Monsanto stated in the future of food: "we do not worry or deal with the social or environmentl problems that are created by our products . we just want to sell as much of the product as possible in order to maximize our products". This from a company that has robbed private farmers of their seed banks and entire savings. I do not buy into the corporations giving us life. They are full time lobbyists while i am working and have very little time to be involved in the WE the pople govntment. They are the US now. I am also saddend by the republicans who seem to overlook the negatives. I also am a supporter of industry and business however not in the current economical model.
carte blanche. I believe both are wrong. i use about .00000001% of the products in the market today. There fore my taxes should not go to the makers of these products. as I am also not a user of the programs created with my money. Basically I am paying for those steaks and lobsters the corporate suits and the pus guts are eating. and they are not even leaving me tip. I believe in self sufficiency. Like making bread. If thereis to be welfare they must get the basic food ingredients. Not the cream of the crop. however I am radical. If it was my world ALL welfare would be ended. the only subsidy allowed would be if it was based on quality of life associated with air , water and soil. The rest is jsut selfish greedy goals made for over consumption.
as Monsanto stated in the future of food: "we do not worry or deal with the social or environmentl problems that are created by our products . we just want to sell as much of the product as possible in order to maximize our products". This from a company that has robbed private farmers of their seed banks and entire savings. I do not buy into the corporations giving us life. They are full time lobbyists while i am working and have very little time to be involved in the WE the pople govntment. They are the US now. I am also saddend by the republicans who seem to overlook the negatives. I also am a supporter of industry and business however not in the current economical model.
carte blanche. I believe both are wrong. i use about .00000001% of the products in the market today. There fore my taxes should not go to the makers of these products. as I am also not a user of the programs created with my money. Basically I am paying for those steaks and lobsters the corporate suits and the pus guts are eating. and they are not even leaving me tip. I believe in self sufficiency. Like making bread. If thereis to be welfare they must get the basic food ingredients. Not the cream of the crop. however I am radical. If it was my world ALL welfare would be ended. the only subsidy allowed would be if it was based on quality of life associated with air , water and soil. The rest is jsut selfish greedy goals made for over consumption.
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Re: The Corporate Begging Bowl
by PenultimateManStanding » Thu 12 Jan 2006, 21:16:26
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', '
')If it was my world ALL welfare would be ended. the only subsidy allowed would be if it was based on quality of life associated with air , water and soil. The rest is jsut selfish greedy goals made for over consumption.
The big corporations are soon to bite the dust. Big government too. Spec is backsliding to cornucopianism. A while ago he was ready to bug out to the country. Now he's ingoring how vulnerable corporations are, just like the rest of us, to energy constrictions. Globalism in decline.')If it was my world ALL welfare would be ended. the only subsidy allowed would be if it was based on quality of life associated with air , water and soil. The rest is jsut selfish greedy goals made for over consumption.
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Re: The Corporate Begging Bowl
by The_Toecutter » Fri 13 Jan 2006, 00:45:11
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')our forgetting though Toecutter, without corporations there would be NO taxes at all, because there would be NO money at all.
That's BS. Before the modern corporation had even existed in the mid 1600s, there were still taxes and still economies and still production. Further, the current government obtains more than two times as much revenue from private incomes than from corporate incomes...
Wealth is not only generated by incorporated entities. It is generated from small unincorporated businesses, something we need to see more of(for the sake of having a true free market and real competition), but the modern corporation wants less of so it doesn't have to compete and so it can concentrate wealth into its hands.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hats why, to an extent, I can overlook corporate tax incentives.
Even when they could profit without them? Even when the U.S. Constitution doesn't explictly allow such things to begin with?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')orporations are what make the world go round. Sure, you can get that ole Liberal speel about how the corporations are evil and the corporations are theives and this and that and damn the corporations but the simple fact is without those "evil corporations" we'd still be walkin behind a horse with a plow.
Not necessarily true. Much of society's innovation has come from individual people(Tesla, Marconi, ect.), as opposed to bureacracies such as corporations. Before the corporation existed, commerce was mostly conducted on an individual basis on a small, local scale.
Albeit, I'm certainly not advocating for the elimination of the corporation, but since you brought it up, yes, big business, like big government, needs to be shrunk down massively. Both big business and big government have historically been propping each other up and supporting each other, at the expense of everyone else. Eliminate one, and the other allows it to reform. Both 'conservatives' and 'liberals' fail to realize this, each advocating for the elimination of one but not the other...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ow who would you rather see tax incentives go to? A company that employess 50,000 people, paying taxes in a number of different states and bringing new products to market, or some shitbag that drinks beer all day watching football and goes to the store to buy smokes and steaks on our money?
Niether. If the company cannot stand on its own, it should fall on its own merits. If an individual person cannot stand on their own(due to injury, disability, ect.), they should be helped, but only within the context of the Constitution. No amendment for it? No help until then. Responsibility on the individual level must be emphasized, and the distinction between thinking, feeling people, and a corporation must be made. Even more so in regard to rights deemed as inalienable, as they were meant to apply to individual people, and NOT bureacracies such as corporations. Jefferson warned us about this quite a bit ago...
If you really are a libertarian, you will see the fallacy in giving corporations our tax money, when they clearly don't need it, while allowing them to damage property and persons with their various pollution without the consent of the property owners and persons in question and without compensation paid for the damages.
If someone intends to steal from you or damage you or your property, does it not makes sense to shoot them as is often within your rights in case of self defense? Likewise, when a corporation does the same, stealing from you through the government, or damaging you and your property with air, water, and soil pollution, would it not make just as much sense as to shoot the executives? Yet if you do that, you're a 'terrorist'.
The double standard in our society in which the corporation is given the rights of an individual person but without the responsibilities, while the individual person sees their inalienable rights wittled away each day, must be addressed. To not address such is nothing short of hypocracy, the kind so prevalent in our system today but that a number within the right refuse acknowledge exists.
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