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Re: CBS News: The I-Word is Gaining Ground

Unread postby Liamj » Sat 07 Jan 2006, 08:53:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', '.')..If America is at war, truly at war, we need a President who has actual military experience on the ground during a war. Colin Powell, Wesley Clark, anyone with that kind of background. What we've got right now is sheer incompetence backed up with hubris. This is not the way to win a war. Would you trust this Administration to win World War Two...?

Has America formally declared war, and if so, on who?
My understanding is that 'war powers' have been allowed, WHEN a country has DECLARED war, not when its just ramping business as usual and posturing up a storm. Australia certainly hasn't formally declared war, and I don't think US or UK have either (too many boring rules about bipartisanship?).

So head scratching over "is routine domestic spying allowed under war powers" misses the mark completely - you're dickering over the change from the missing dollar that rube Chico gave you.. [ref. Marx Bros. 'Day at the Races'].
Its exactly like watching Groucho convince himself he hasn't been robbed, even as his pants are shredded.Image:)
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Re: CBS News: The I-Word is Gaining Ground

Unread postby threadbear » Sat 07 Jan 2006, 15:40:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'N')ice outlay there GG3. I didnt think you Californians were so clear minded..... :p And Gary, i was right with ya till that "poverty" word. Welath redistribution is nothing more then theft. I havent a clue why anyone supports it. As such, your dream is my nightmare. Lets hope it doesnt happen.

John Steinback made an interesting comment about why the unrich don't vote in their own best interests in the U.S. Something about America not having any poor, just temporarily embarrassed millionaires. This is so apt.
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Re: CBS News: The I-Word is Gaining Ground

Unread postby threadbear » Sat 07 Jan 2006, 15:59:35

DISPATCHES FROM AMERICA The unrestrained president
By Tom Engelhardt
Here, however, is where - though so many of the issues of the moment may bring the Nixon era to mind - things have changed considerably. US domestic politics are now far more conservative; Congress is in the hands of Republicans, many of whom share the president's fervor for unconstrained party as well as presidential power; and the will to impeach is, as yet, hardly in sight.
In his news conference defending his NSA program, Bush took umbrage when a reporter asked:
I wonder if you can tell us today, sir, what, if any, limits you believe there are or should be on the powers of a president during a war, at wartime? And if the global war on terror is going to last for decades, as has been forecast, does that mean that we're going to see, therefore, a more or less permanent expansion of the unchecked power of the executive in American society?

"To say 'unchecked power'," responded an irritated Bush, "basically is ascribing some kind of dictatorial position to the president, which I strongly reject."
How the United States handles this crossroads presidential moment will tell us much about whether or not "some kind of dictatorial position" for the nation's imperial, imperious, and impervious president will be in the American grain for a long, long time to come. link
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Bush Impeachment Letter (Please sign and send)

Unread postby Lokutus » Mon 09 Jan 2006, 14:37:36

Dear Senator Levin,
I must add my voice to those who are calling for the impeachment or resignation of George W. Bush. He and his neoconservative colleagues in the administration are guilty of the high crime of misleading the American public and Congress into waging an unnecessary and brutal war in Iraq, as is clear from the Downing Street Memos alone. The administration is further guilty of the torture of human beings in violation of the Geneva Convention. In adddition, Bush has admitted to an impeachable offense on international TV by stating he has ordered the secret warrantless wiretapping and electronic surveillance of US citizens within the United States over the past four years. It is my understanding that there exists no legal foundation exempting President Bush and the members of his administration from the legal strictures of FISA, and the warrantless wiretapping and electronic surveillance of the past four years is a deliberate violation of US citizens' 4th Amendment rights. If Bush did not attempt for four years to obtain a single warrant, it leads a thoughtful person to conclude that he must have known he would not be granted warrants. If warrants could have been issued, why did he not bother to obtain them, when an expedited process exists for this? And if what he wished to do with surveillance was truly necessary to protect the country from terrorism, why could he not introduce legislation to create due process?

It is further my understanding that all elected officials have sworn to uphold the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. This obligates you and all in the House and the Senate to act when the President of the United States violates the Constitution. I respectfully request that, as my elected representative in the Senate, you call immediately for the necessary Senate hearings on this matter, so that the extent of the legal infractions publicly admitted by the president may be ascertained. I further request that all such evidence be referred to the House in order that impeachment proceedings against the president can be initiated.
Respectfully yours,
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Re: CBS News: The I-Word is Gaining Ground

Unread postby eric_b » Mon 09 Jan 2006, 19:35:45

I'd suggest anyone who feels Bush should be impeached (as I do) to join one of the many sites lobbying for this, like Impeach[/link
I don't feel impeachment is likely, but I find Bush's actions as president to be so unsavory I had to do something.
Write a letter to your local rep.
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Re: CBS News: The I-Word is Gaining Ground

Unread postby lakeweb » Mon 09 Jan 2006, 21:55:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'A')nd Gary, i was right with ya till that "poverty" word. Welath redistribution is nothing more then theft....


Uhhh?

Best, Dan.
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Re: Bush Impeachment Letter (Please sign and send)

Unread postby aldente » Tue 10 Jan 2006, 03:35:56

Do you expect this to end up anywhere but the trashbin?
What if there is no one on the other end to show understanding?
What if this is just a machine that does not digest anything but what is digestable?
These kind of letters are an excersise in futility!
(and spare your respect for those who deserve it - what a nuisance to sign such a letter with "Respectfully yours")
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Re: Bush Impeachment Letter (Please sign and send)

Unread postby Specop_007 » Tue 10 Jan 2006, 03:48:09

Not bad, for a grade school troll of course.
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Re: Bush Impeachment Letter (Please sign and send)

Unread postby Wildwell » Tue 10 Jan 2006, 15:47:00

Prime Minister Tony Blair should be "impeached" over the war in Iraq, a former top British soldier has said.
The ex-UN commander in Bosnia General Sir Michael Rose said Mr Blair had to take responsibility for his actions.
"To go to war on what turns out to be false grounds is something that no one should be allowed to walk away from," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

A Downing Street spokesman said Sir Michael was entitled to his view but had been retired for some time.
"The government is entitled to point out that there have been three democratic elections in Iraq," said the prime minister's official spokesman.
In a Channel 4 television documentary, Iraq: The Failure Of War, General Sir Michael tells former war correspondent and independent MP Martin Bell: "Blair should be impeached."

The general told Today the consequences for Iraq and the war on terror had been "quite disastrous". BBC
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Senator Jim Ferlo Leading Impeachment of Bush?!

Unread postby UIUCstudent01 » Sun 15 Jan 2006, 02:12:05

It may just be a publicity stunt for himself so that he makes out that he's doing something, or it may be the real thing, but apparantly, Jim Ferlo, a Pennsylvania State Senator is making an add to for the impeachment of Bush AND Cheney.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')ear Friends,ferlo

I am writing to you and hundreds of other Pittsburghers with a sense of urgency regarding the most important issue now facing our nation. We have a President whose Administration has brazenly violated the Presidency and the law of the land by openly engaging in domestic spying in flagrant violation of the rule of law. Our personal liberties have been abridged and threatened by the Executive Branch of our government. The legal freedoms we are guaranteed by the Bill of Rights and the U. S. Constitution apparently mean little to President George W. Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney.

Impeachment proceedings are now the most important issue facing our nation. The debate and opinions expressed should not be limited to the views of journalists, legal scholars, intelligence officials and just a few politicians. Every American must confront this issue and speak out loudly and clearly. This is one opportunity to do so.

I ask that you please consider adding your name to a petition, calling for impeachment and a censure of the President and Vice-President, which will appear as a full-page ad in the Pittsburgh City Paper news weekly prior to the State of the Union Address. To sign the petition, please fill out this form or call 412-621-3006 or fax 412-621-0373. You may also confirm your support for the Ad by emailing me at: senatorferlo@gmail.com.

Your name and expression of support is critical at this time in our nation's history. Please share the petition and this website with other individuals and organizations so that we may fully express the breadth of outrage and concern.

PLEASE ACT NOW!

Respectfully,

Jim Ferlo


Bush AND Cheney! :)

So, who's next in line?

*I got this information from this blog.
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Re: Senator Jim Ferlo Leading Impeachment of Bush?!

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 15 Jan 2006, 02:40:19

Why the hell would a Senator use an @gmail address??
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Re: Senator Jim Ferlo Leading Impeachment of Bush?!

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sun 15 Jan 2006, 03:00:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'W')hy the hell would a Senator use an @gmail address??

I would be reluctant to respond to a senate.us.gov address, although gmail is also probably tapped by the NSA.
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Re: Senator Jim Ferlo Leading Impeachment of Bush?!

Unread postby eric_b » Sun 15 Jan 2006, 07:10:47

Groovy. Sounds good to me.
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Re: Senator Jim Ferlo Leading Impeachment of Bush?!

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 15 Jan 2006, 09:20:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', 'G')roovy. Sounds good to me.

Gmail addresses?
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Re: Senator Jim Ferlo Leading Impeachment of Bush?!

Unread postby 0mar » Mon 16 Jan 2006, 02:33:35

sure after he pulls off that miracle, maybe he can go and punch out god
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Re: Senator Jim Ferlo Leading Impeachment of Bush?!

Unread postby Grimnir » Mon 16 Jan 2006, 07:37:35

The question I asked before seems to have disappeared, so here it is again. How can a state Senator initiate an impeachment at the federal level?
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Re: Senator Jim Ferlo Leading Impeachment of Bush?!

Unread postby Novus » Mon 16 Jan 2006, 10:38:55

For those that don't know how the American constitutional government works. Sadly this includes most Americans. The Senate can NOT Impeach a president. This means Senator Jim Ferlo's opinion is meaningless and he won't be leading anything of the kind.

A President can only be Impeached by the house of representatives. Secondly Impeachment does not mean Bush will be thrown out of office. Clinton was Impeached but never left office because the Senate and Supream court would not convict him.
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Re: Senator Jim Ferlo Leading Impeachment of Bush?!

Unread postby ab0di » Mon 16 Jan 2006, 11:02:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grimnir', 'T')he question I asked before seems to have disappeared, so here it is again. How can a state Senator initiate an impeachment at the federal level?

He can't. As far as the federal government is concerned, he's just another citizen. Impeachment can only take place in the House of Representatives. U.S. Senators have no say in impeachment. Once impeached, the case then goes to the Senate for trial. If convicted by the Senate, the person is then removed from office.

If both Cheney and Bush were impeached then Denny "Can I Have Another Bratwurst" Hastert would become Preznit. This assumes that no one was appointed VP in the meantime, e.g., Bush impeached and convicted; Cheney becomes Preznit and appoints McCain as Veep; Cheney impeached and convicted; McCain would be Preznit.
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Re: Senator Jim Ferlo Leading Impeachment of Bush?!

Unread postby Grimnir » Mon 16 Jan 2006, 16:13:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ab0di', 'H')e can't. As far as the federal government is concerned, he's just another citizen. Impeachment can only take place in the House of Representatives. U.S. Senators have no say in impeachment.

For the record, Ferlo isn't even that much. He's a member of the Pennsylvania State Senate.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f both Cheney and Bush were impeached then Denny "Can I Have Another Bratwurst" Hastert would become Preznit. This assumes that no one was appointed VP in the meantime, e.g., Bush impeached and convicted; Cheney becomes Preznit and appoints McCain as Veep; Cheney impeached and convicted; McCain would be Preznit.

How 'bout impeaching Cheney first so we know for sure who we're stuck with next?
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Re: Senator Jim Ferlo Leading Impeachment of Bush?!

Unread postby UIUCstudent01 » Mon 16 Jan 2006, 19:36:08

So, in conclusion, this is a bunch of hype (relatively) for and by state senator Jim Ferlo. He can't do anything but raise awareness via this ad.
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