[ALBY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hotsacks', 'T')he world's first aboriginal university has opened in Regina,Saskatchewan.You can't teach unless you are native.No white men allowed.

[hotsacks]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ALBY', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hotsacks', 'T')he world's first aboriginal university has opened in Regina,Saskatchewan.You can't teach unless you are native.No white men allowed.

[ALBY]

injun psyops. please.

silly me, i thought you were referring to the Kahnawake and the seven nations revervation in canada.

and it's five nations brother, the name of the oneida is not spoken at the council fire by real iroquois. but then again, don't take my word for it, im full of chit.

My family has a bunch of houses in upstate NY on land won by the oneida in their land claim. I'll get clear title when the Turningstone casino gets slots. So, pardon me if I think my people have paid.

BTW, My daughter is five and she will never wear a burhka because she'll have a Glock.

[holmes]

The iroquois were the greatest empire ever in all history. They would have lasted indefinately with their sustainable ways. if it wasnt for disease and addiction to steel. They were huge bodied and in nature larger bodied organism have lower rates of reproduction combined with there earth centered culture u had a nation that would have lasted long long time. They manged the land as agrocery store. a self sustaining factory. They also were master farmers. They however were brutal warriors. you have to be brutal or else u end up like all soft empires overrun with overbreeding, loose loins and usurpations. They would kill u in a wink of the eye. Go to the nys museaum up in Albany.

[hotsacks]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ALBY', 'i')njun psyops. please.

silly me, i thought you were referring to the Kahnawake and the seven nations revervation in canada.

and it's five nations brother, the name of the oneida is not spoken at the council fire by real iroquois. but then again, don't take my word for it, im full of chit.

My family has a bunch of houses in upstate NY on land won by the oneida in their land claim. I'll get clear title when the Turningstone casino gets slots. So, pardon me if I think my people have paid.

BTW, My daughter is five and she will never wear a burhka because she'll have a Glock.

[holmes]

Lets remember too that the WASPS were not the great killer of the indians. The spanish and their diseases were. This is the biggest misconcepetion from the bleeding hearts. By the time wasps even got to the east coast the Indian tribes were decimated. Did u know that there were only around 300,000 left in the entire US when either the indian wars started or when the pilgrims came. Im not sure which one but either way they were done before the wasps even got here. they jsut mopped up. If the indians were at full strnght they would have destroyed the wasps. The Iroquois really were the only ones who could have crushed us. they ahd that killer instinct where it was not just counting coup like the plains indians. They were not nice in battle. It was war not just a cultural game. when they died out that reallly ended the indian threat. By the time crazy horse ended custers time they were learning how to whip the US army and there advanced technology but there was not enough of them. They also fought a different way. it was not about exterminating the enemy. It was part of their pageantry. without their enemy they werent complete. They also didnt breed like rats and create situations where u had to exterminate everyone in order for them to have resources. there was plenty to go around and then some. Today the breeding rates are so high that we have to destroy everyhting inorder to sequester there energy sources. There really is becoming no room for anything else but humans.

[ALBY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hotsacks', 'W')ell Alby,I'll have to take my moccasin out of my mouth here and mumble apologies. So much for Injun psy ops.No wonder we lost.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'D')id u know that there were only around 300,000 left in the entire US when either the indian wars started or when the pilgrims came

[ALBY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'T')he truth is that the noble and persecuted Pilgrims were blood thirsty killers that would have made the average SS Storm Trooper blush..

[hotsacks]

Yes,it bothers me that so much attention is paid to the Jewish Holocaust,and next to none to the Indian 300 Year Slaughter in which more have died and more have suffered over a longer period of time.
The Iroquois were one of the native groups that welcomed the white settlers.They brought them corn,squash,beans,tobacco.They brought game into settlements where the inhabitants would have starved otherwise.Many,many accounts of Indian hospitality to a race bred for treachery and violence.The Haida were the only indigenous group with the good sense to attack them on sight. Theirs is a complex society,like the Iroquois.Why the difference in the Haudusanee attitude?
As for the Iroquois habits of war,they were no different than those of the other woodland tribes.With their Dutch guns,they had far more opportunity to practise the arts of torture on captives.It was a matter of degree,not of kind.
There's a good argument that,without the Iroquois advantage,the English would have been routed by the French.And the history of the world would have been...?
Didn't matter for the Six Nations,however.Screwed either way,they retreated to their reservations to learn the fine arts of steel walking,tobacco smuggling and casino management.

[ALBY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hotsacks', 'W')hy the difference in the Haudusanee attitude.

[Daryl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', ' ')That is probably a reasonable estimate for when the Indian wars began in the 1860's. The population in the Continental US pre-contact is estimated at 10,000,000. It is quite true that the Atlantic Coastal populations took a big hit from diseases introduced by migratory traders before the Mayflower. By some estimates 50 to 75 percent of the population of the Atlantic coastal peoples had been killed. That still would have left over 9 million nationwide.

[threadbear]

Looks like some kind of consensus was reached on this thread. Good thing, I thought I was going to have to smudge the thread and drag out my scream catcher.

[ALBY]

I'd love SPG to cull out the indian history stuff and start a thread on that. not sure it is peak oil related, but iroquois history is a passion of mine and it's hard to find anyone who knows anything, much less cares. hotsacks seems like a pretty knowledgable individual.

someone else will need to quote me an float this idea, im pretty sure im on her ignore list.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daryl', 'T')he germs traveled far inland way ahead of the Europeans, carried by the Indians themselves. The germs were decimating the inland populations in some cases centuries before the first Europeans finally arrived. I think he estimates that over 90% of the indigineous people of the Americas were killed by disease.

[hotsacks]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'L')ooks like some kind of consensus was reached on this thread. Good thing, I thought I was going to have to smudge the thread and drag out my scream catcher.

[Daryl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daryl', 'T')he germs traveled far inland way ahead of the Europeans, carried by the Indians themselves. The germs were decimating the inland populations in some cases centuries before the first Europeans finally arrived. I think he estimates that over 90% of the indigineous people of the Americas were killed by disease.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ALBY', 'I')'d love SPG to cull out the indian history stuff and start a thread on that.

[ALBY]

Thanks !!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'a')nd you haven't even screamed any expletives at me yet.