$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MicroHydro', '
')The neocons are not fools and they are not done by any means. The chaos in Iraq is not failure, it is success. The US/Britain/Israel wanted civil war in Iraq and engineered the car bombings to create it. Now that Iraq is a failed state, it can be looted at will with muscle supplied by mercenaries and airpower from the four giant US bases being built in the desert.
Look for more chaos/success in Syria, Iran, and eventually Saudi Arabia itself. If the US gains military control of 2/3rds of the oil on the planet, the US national debt will not matter.
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Re: Peak Oil & Death Rattle of US of A.
by DesertBear2 » Thu 05 Jan 2006, 04:28:04
I just wanted to address this point.
Chaos as a goal for Iraq and the ME certainly can't make any sense. The whole thrust of any imperialist scheme is a cowed population and an orderly transfer of wealth to the occupying country. With the Iraqi tarbaby on the brink of civil war, we are not getting any of the resources. Nor are we getting access to a renewed Iraqi economy as a market for our various products and services. Bushco had expected to have this "project" stabilized by now and be on to other military adventures....
In fact, OsamaCo have us right where they want us.....stuck and bleeding to death in a disintegrating Iraq while the world Islamic population looks on and becomes daily more anti-American. If we stay, we bleed to death and encourage massive anti-American sentiments throughout the region. If we split, we lose strategic influence in the area, access to the remaining ME oil reserves, and probably will never be taken seriously again...especially by Islamic radicals. Go George.
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Re: Peak Oil & Death Rattle of US of A.
by Daryl » Thu 05 Jan 2006, 08:27:11
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesertBear2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MicroHydro', '
')The neocons are not fools and they are not done by any means. The chaos in Iraq is not failure, it is success. The US/Britain/Israel wanted civil war in Iraq and engineered the car bombings to create it. Now that Iraq is a failed state, it can be looted at will with muscle supplied by mercenaries and airpower from the four giant US bases being built in the desert.
Look for more chaos/success in Syria, Iran, and eventually Saudi Arabia itself. If the US gains military control of 2/3rds of the oil on the planet, the US national debt will not matter.
')The neocons are not fools and they are not done by any means. The chaos in Iraq is not failure, it is success. The US/Britain/Israel wanted civil war in Iraq and engineered the car bombings to create it. Now that Iraq is a failed state, it can be looted at will with muscle supplied by mercenaries and airpower from the four giant US bases being built in the desert.
Look for more chaos/success in Syria, Iran, and eventually Saudi Arabia itself. If the US gains military control of 2/3rds of the oil on the planet, the US national debt will not matter.
I just wanted to address this point.
Chaos as a goal for Iraq and the ME certainly can't make any sense. The whole thrust of any imperialist scheme is a cowed population and an orderly transfer of wealth to the occupying country. With the Iraqi tarbaby on the brink of civil war, we are not getting any of the resources. Nor are we getting access to a renewed Iraqi economy as a market for our various products and services. Bushco had expected to have this "project" stabilized by now and be on to other military adventures....
In fact, OsamaCo have us right where they want us.....stuck and bleeding to death in a disintegrating Iraq while the world Islamic population looks on and becomes daily more anti-American. If we stay, we bleed to death and encourage massive anti-American sentiments throughout the region. If we split, we lose strategic influence in the area, access to the remaining ME oil reserves, and probably will never be taken seriously again...especially by Islamic radicals. Go George.
I agree, what Microhydro wrote is the standard immature conspiracy theorist nonsense. At the same time, there is a kernel of truth in what he says. Even if Iraq becomes more stable, it will be vastly weakened militarily compared to the Saddam regime. But we don't want civil war there.
That's the worst possible outcome for the US. Second worst is an Iran tilting Islamic government that asks US to withdraw so they can oppress the Sunnis and Kurds. In that case, US will probably withdraw south to Kuwait and north to the new Kurdistan. It will be too bad for the Sunnis.
This result will still be a success for US because they have positioned substantial armor and supply chain resources in the Persian Gulf to establish the security of oil flow from the region for decades to come. Sorry, a few Osama wannabees running around setting off car bombs and picking off US infantryman doesn't constitue defeat. Well, maybe for the liberal press it does.
By the way, if the US is such an evil empire, why doesn't it stop the flow of oil out of the Persian Gulf to France, Germany and China, who refused to support the Iraq invasion?
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Re: Peak Oil & Death Rattle of US of A.
by DesertBear2 » Fri 06 Jan 2006, 04:16:30
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daryl', '
')This result will still be a success for US because they have positioned substantial armor and supply chain resources in the Persian Gulf to establish the security of oil flow from the region for decades to come. Sorry, a few Osama wannabees running around setting off car bombs and picking off US infantryman doesn't constitue defeat. Well, maybe for the liberal press it does.
')This result will still be a success for US because they have positioned substantial armor and supply chain resources in the Persian Gulf to establish the security of oil flow from the region for decades to come. Sorry, a few Osama wannabees running around setting off car bombs and picking off US infantryman doesn't constitue defeat. Well, maybe for the liberal press it does.
Well, the oil flow from Iraq is down to an intermittent trickle at this point. If Bushco's blundering around manages to ignite the whole region, energy production could collapse everywhere. Can the military really secure the whole ME oil/gas business?
I am pretty sure that Iran has some sort of plan to attack the energy infrastructure of any ME country that supports an attack on Iran. This means that Saudi facilities will be hit with advanced missiles, bombers....and maybe with commando attacks. They are going to try and take Uncle Sam down by cutting his energy jugular. And the destroyed infrastructure can be rebuilt later and pumped out at a slower rate for long-term income.
Even if that scenario does not play out, OsamaInc and friends has seemingly decided that attacks on energy infrastructure with it's resulting damage to the US economy is the central game plan. Just look at how the roadside bombs and insurgent tactics have been constantly improved on in the Iraq fiasco....the same improvements may well be noted in attacks on refineries, pipelines, civilian oil workers, and shipping facilities as time goes on.
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