[PenultimateManStanding]

Anybody seen both the remake and the original Longest Yard flick? I saw the remake and gagged. Flippant, silly crap. Played it up for lame jokes without a shred of the original's drama or even a semblance of realism. The original with Burt Reynolds had comedy and dramatic tension. Plus, the Warden's secretary, beehive hair notwithstanding, was at least hot (Bernadette Peters). No, Hollywood is crap city nowadays. Peak Cinema, 1971, just like oil.

[Eli]

Hollywood's idea for a good movie "just put Adam Sandler in it!"

Hollywood has yet to realize that Adam Sandler blows goats by the dozen.
I really think the quality of humor has gone down, "Blazing Saddles" now that was a funny movie, so many great lines. Compare that to the "Water Boy", me and my wife walked out of that one, the quality of jokes in that movie is just pitiful.

Friggin schlocky crap. I just read somewhere that they are going to make Oceans 13, that is what I want to do go and pay 10 bucks to watch a bunch of over paid pricks make a third rate movie in exotic locals. Ok, yeah I am bitter, so what, Angelina Jolie probably looks like hell in the morning. I just don't find her all that attractive, it looks like it takes a hell of a lot of makeup and primping to make her look good, your mileage may very however.

[Jake_old]

I've not seen the longest yard and will look out for the original one to watch first.

Angelina Jolie is an absolute honey but I guess you can do a lot with makeup and cameras, but I've never noticed her lookin bad. Big feet though apparently.

There has to be some holywood movie that was good and made in my lifetime, 1974 onwards! Surely.

Green Mile (was that Hollywood?)

Shawshank Redemption (ditto)

[Eli]

Well yes obviously there have been some great movies made since 1974. But overall the quality of movies is really terrible and getting worse, but it has always been thus.

Right now Hollywood is in panic mode because of falling box office sales. With DVDs and people getting home theaters nobody wants to go see the crap they put out. Also I think the internet is hurtful to the movies, you can instantly find info about movies that come out that is not controlled by the Hwood machine and lets you know that the "best picture of the year" is actually a terd.

I think with declining sales they are trying to make more and more sure winners and the more they do that the more they try to stick with worked in the past, but the more they stick with what worked in the past the more formulaic the pictures become.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedJake', 'I')'ve not seen the longest yard and will look out for the original one to watch first.

There has to be some holywood movie that was good and made in my lifetime, 1974 onwards! Surely.

[PrairieMule]

My list of bad remakes:Bewitched, Stepford wives, Assault on Precint 13

So-So remakes-Planet of the Apes, Batman Begins, War of the Worlds, The Alamo(flame me but I liked it)

Proof of life and originality post 1971: Mystic River, Band of Brothers, The Right Stuff, Something about Mary, Big Lebowski, A beautiful mind, Ran, to many to list

I have Punishment Park shipping out today from Netflix.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'M')y list of bad remakes:Bewitched, Stepford wives, Assault on Precint 13

So-So remakes-Planet of the Apes, Batman Begins, War of the Worlds, The Alamo(flame me but I liked it)

Proof of life and originality post 1971: Mystic River, Band of Brothers, The Right Stuff, Something about Mary, Big Lebowski, A beautiful mind, Ran, to many to list

I have Punishment Park shipping out today from Netflix.

[oowolf]

Masterpiece films like The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, The Blue Angel, and All Quiet on the Western Front have inspired remakes. Why? I don't know. What kind of moron could suffer from the delusion these films could be redone?
King Kong? Really? How about remakes of Gone With the Wind or The Wizard of Oz. Its all about keeping people in the industry employed.

Anyone want to invest in a remake of Fellini Satyricon?

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oowolf', 'M')asterpiece films like The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, The Blue Angel, and All Quiet on the Western Front have inspired remakes. Why? I don't know. What kind of moron could suffer from the delusion these films could be redone?
King Kong? Really? How about remakes of Gone With the Wind or The Wizard of Oz. Its all about keeping people in the industry employed.

Anyone want to invest in a remake of Fellini Satyricon?

[Madpaddy]

The remake of planet of the apes was abject shxte. King Kong I liked but it was too long.

[Lokutus]

Films that simply cry out for a redo are:

Saving Private Ryan
with the ubiquitos Orlando Bloom in Tom hanks' role

The Man Who Would Be King
with Ashton Kucher and Seth Green

Last Tango in Paris
with Alec Baldwin and Brittney Murphy

[Eli]

Pen you might like Band of Brothers, I think it kicked Saving Private Ryan's ass. Spielberg gets too hoke some times.

Band of brothers is still brutal but it gives a better account of what leadership is all about and what it is like to be a soldier. I like it too because of it's glorified historic nature, you follow guys through all their missions from basic all the way to the end of the war there are like ten 45min to an hour episodes.

Gone with the wind is good if you are a chick, it is a long soap opera but if you liked Breakfast at Tiffany's you will just love it!

Hollywood has major problems right now there leading men are flaking out. Tom Cruise has shown the world what a complete weirdo he really is and Brad Pitt even though the chicks still think he is dreamy has pissed off a lot of women by dumping Jen Aniston for that tramp Angelina Jolie.

[SinisterBlueCat]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', ' ')No, Hollywood is crap city nowadays. Peak Cinema, 1971, just like oil.

[Free]

I basically agree that Hollywood is just cloning shit these days, and particularly hate remakes ("The flight of the Phoenix" anyone? I didn't even had to watch the remake to know it was crap - the original one is simply great).

But then it's all worth it for the occasional gem that's among this shit, like "American beauty" or "Magnolia". Many others already have been mentioned.

I even like some silly Adam Sandler type of comedy once in a while, for example "The 40 year old virgin" was just hilarious, though nothing special.

Good high quality comedy? "Being John Malcovich" - fantastic!!!

All in all I would say that post 71 can easily compete with pre 71...

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SinisterBlueCat', '
')1971? aw, come on...that is pushing it a little, ja'?

[The_Toecutter]

Mad Max and The Roadwarrior were both made post '71, they they did quite a job of placing an unreal world and connecting it with the reality of the time they were released. It went well beyond phony special effects and covered the psychology and character of Max Rockatansky quite well...

[peaker_2005]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SinisterBlueCat', '
')1971? aw, come on...that is pushing it a little, ja'?

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')he sense that they are telling stories that happen in this world is gone, replaced by a strange hollywood make-believe world where anything can happen because it's all phony anyways. Now, what we get is completely unreal in every way. Of course the old ones were unreal, too. But they were tied to what is real somehow.

[SinisterBlueCat]

take off your rose colored glass for a minute. My mom said there were plenty of bad movies in the 50's. Here are some she listed

Plan Nine From Outer Space, Robot Monster, The Girl in Gold Boots...I have never seen these, but she said they stunk.

I did see It Came From Outer Space...that was pretty poor. How about Godzilla's Revenge?

Maybe, we just think movies were better back then because we remember all of the good ones, and forget all the stinky ones..?

Kind of like music, some people I know think 70's music is the bomb, it was all great music and nothing good has come since. Well, there is some pretty bad 70's music.

Maybe we just get a little stuck in our own era's and we tend to look back at music and films from that time with a little to much nostalgia ...?

[PenultimateManStanding]

Perhaps, Cat. I was watching a 50s movie with my son about some giant mutated grasshoppers. We had fun with it, there was a scene in which some cops were driving in a car, the driving cop was turning the steering wheel in such an exagerated maneer that we started cracking up. The giant grasshoppers were a hoot. I think what I'm getting at about today's crappy movies is that the post-modern aesthetic that started in the 80s has infected production and directing values. Post-modern is hip self-referential irony. Movies that are about being movies, paintings about painting, novels about novels, all in a sense of mockery that the game is revealed. So now, we have movies in which a hole in the plot big enough to drive a hummer through is just laughed off, no biggie, just a movie, etc.