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Re: Ford supersizes the SUV

Unread postby shortonoil » Tue 13 Dec 2005, 21:38:10

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If you block it up and pull the tires off, it will also make a great chicken coop!

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Re: Ford supersizes the SUV

Unread postby DesertBear2 » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 04:18:03

Maybe they could be used as farm work vehicles. Like pulling hay wagons and plowing....with "Farm Use" license tags.
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Re: Ford supersizes the SUV

Unread postby turmoil » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 09:51:27

Well, as a male, if I were to buy this SUV, it would be like having a dick that is 220.8 inches long...Although the pickup line isn't very good: "Any ladies want to test-drive my jumbo expedition?" Doesn't have that ring, I don't think... Ladies?
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Re: Ford supersizes the SUV

Unread postby RdSnt » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 09:56:41

So a Suburban by any other name.
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Re: Ford supersizes the SUV

Unread postby Seadragon » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 10:51:52

IIRC, the giant SUVs have been the most profitable vehicles for GM and Ford: they made millions all through the last 15 years selling these things. The party's over, but they so desperately need those profits now that they just can't help themselves. I suppose the stupid American public kind of thinks the same way: wishing/hoping to return to those halcyon days of $1.50 gas. The denial makes me think that we will absolutely need an "off-the-cliff" moment, a genuine major crisis, before anybody will wake up. I mean, what are people watching now as Bartlett talks about peak oil in public (House of Representatives)? Why, the "War on Christmas" on Faux News, of course.
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Re: Another reason why people buy SUVs

Unread postby WisJim » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 13:10:41

For many years we had one or two car seats in the back seat of our VW Rabbit or Jetta. It was a lot easier than getting the seats in our old 1971 VW Beetle, but even that wasn't a big problem.

Ah, the years of driving with 5 of us in a 1982 Rabbit. Our mpg/person was really good.
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Re: Another reason why people buy SUVs

Unread postby johnmarkos » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 13:21:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WisJim', 'F')or many years we had one or two car seats in the back seat of our VW Rabbit or Jetta. It was a lot easier than getting the seats in our old 1971 VW Beetle, but even that wasn't a big problem.

Ah, the years of driving with 5 of us in a 1982 Rabbit. Our mpg/person was really good.


Seats for infants (under one year or 20 pounds) must face the back of the seat. Our son is over 26 inches long and thus too big for his little baby seat. A rear facing Britex Decathlon (the seat we have) only fits in the back seat of a midsized or smaller sedan (this would most likely include any of your VWs) if its in the middle position or if the seat in front of it is pushed forward.

If the seat is in the middle position, you can't squeeze another car seat in there. Granted, this problem lasts only a few months but it's a showstopper if you have two kids and two adults.
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Re: Another reason why people buy SUVs

Unread postby quiltea » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 13:25:18

Yup, I'm now in my second minivan, and we went this route mainly for the kids (easier dealing with car seats is one of many reasons for having a minivan if you have kids). And every day I'm thankful for my very short commute because it only gets about 15 mpg.

But I myself was feeling envious of SUVs during the last snowstorm as I slid all over the road in my front-wheel drive minivan. I know for a fact several of our friends have SUVs so they can deal with driving in the snow here in the NorthEast, especially when heading north to ski country in the winter.

Another gas hog is the pickup truck. But if I'm going to be a farmer, an idea I am seriously considering, how am I going to deal with all the various hauling that farmers use their pickup trucks for (hay, feed, animals, etc) without one?
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Re: Ford supersizes the SUV

Unread postby SolarDave » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 14:07:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'T')hey should name it the EXTINCTION.


Good One!


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Re: Ford supersizes the SUV

Unread postby Dukat_Reloaded » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 19:14:52

Too bad for them that oil has just spiked up again past $60
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SUVs no safer for kids

Unread postby Leanan » Tue 03 Jan 2006, 14:22:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ccording to a study conducted by the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia and State Farm Insurance Companies, rollover crashes occurred twice as frequently in SUVs as in passenger cars and children were three times more likely to be injured in a rollover crash than in a non-rollover accident, according to a statement from the hospital.


http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/01/03/suv_rollover/
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Re: SUVs no safer for kids

Unread postby Starvid » Tue 03 Jan 2006, 14:24:46

This is hardly news.

SUV's are dangerous both for their drivers and to other motorists.

If you want safe buy a Volvo.
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Re: SUVs no safer for kids

Unread postby Leanan » Tue 03 Jan 2006, 14:39:12

And yet we still have people here who claim they buy SUVs because they're "safer." :roll:

Larger cars are safer. But if you must get a large car, get a large ordinary car, not an SUV. SUVs' height is the killer - often literally. They are more likely to rollover with their high center of gravity, and it's their height that makes them so bad on fuel efficiency. An ordinary car is fuel-efficient to about 55 mph, as we all know. But an SUV or truck hits the dropoff point at about 40 mph.
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Re: SUVs no safer for kids

Unread postby Specop_007 » Tue 03 Jan 2006, 14:57:39

I'm so tired of half assed "Feed the masses" reporting. :x

(Not referring to you Leanan)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'A')nd yet we still have people here who claim they buy SUVs because they're "safer." :roll:


And sometimes they are. You get in your little Honda, I'll get in my Expedition and we can run into each other at 40 MPH, lets see what happens.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')arger cars are safer. But if you must get a large car, get a large ordinary car, not an SUV. SUVs' height is the killer - often literally. They are more likely to rollover with their high center of gravity, and it's their height that makes them so bad on fuel efficiency. An ordinary car is fuel-efficient to about 55 mph, as we all know. But an SUV or truck hits the dropoff point at about 40 mph.


You just admitted large cars are safer, including SUV's. As you said, rollover is the problem.

As for milage, thats not entirely accurate. My Expedition gets 14. I can leave it parked in the driveway idling or blast down the Interstate at 90....14. Hell, damn thing probably gets 14 if I drive all the way in reverse. :oops:
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Re: SUVs no safer for kids

Unread postby Leanan » Tue 03 Jan 2006, 15:06:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou just admitted large cars are safer, including SUV's. As you said, rollover is the problem.


Yes, so if you're concerned about safety, get a large car that is not as high as a truck or SUV. You'll be safer in all kinds of crashes, and you'll get better mileage. Even if the car is the same weight as an SUV, it will get better mileage because of its lower profile.

SUVs are being sold as "family cars" now, which is ridiculous. They are classed as light trucks, and therefore do not have to meet the same safety standards as passenger vehicles (strength of the passenger compartment, etc.). They are also prone to vaulting over guiderail, bridge railing, etc., which was designed for passenger cars, not trucks.
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Re: SUVs no safer for kids

Unread postby Clouseau2 » Tue 03 Jan 2006, 15:10:53

The only time SUVs are safer is when they are pummeling a smaller car in an accident. And even then, because of the poor construction of most SUVs a passenger car of the same mass would be much safer. Car based SUVs are not as bad here. And of course as soon as you rollover your changes of injury go up dramatically.

Just looking at who wins out during a collision is too simplistic a way of looking at the safety of SUVs ...

Another reason SUVs are less safe is due to their poor handling, which means that you are much more likely to have accidents that could have been avoided had you been driving an ordinary passenger car, due to poor handling, braking, etc.
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Re: SUVs no safer for kids

Unread postby elroy » Tue 03 Jan 2006, 17:50:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd sometimes they are. You get in your little Honda, I'll get in my Expedition and we can run into each other at 40 MPH, lets see what happens.
Sure, if you treat it like one of these it is: Image
We're talking about normal, every day use. Then an SUV is not any safer, and tests have shown it's even more dangerous than a regular car. Another reason why SUVs are dangerous is because of the mindset of the driver, they believe they're driving a tank so they don't have to be careful. If you really must drive a vehicle like that, keep it where it was intended to be used: off-road, in the boonies.
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Re: SUVs no safer for kids

Unread postby Leanan » Tue 03 Jan 2006, 17:51:36

Actually, trucks and SUVs have huge blind spots to the rear - again, due to their height. A lot of kids are being run over by their own parents because of this. There's even talk of mandating some sort of safety equipment to deal with the problem.

SUV backover deaths: What can be done?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's called the "bye-bye syndrome" said Janette Fennell, founder of the auto safety group Kids and Cars.

Wanting one last chance to see mommy, daddy, or grandmother before they go, a child will run up behind the vehicle at the worst possible time. Small children don't realize that the driver may not be able to see them.

While most drivers are aware that there are areas behind their vehicle in which they cannot see, many don't realize how large those areas can be. The problem is worse in trucks and SUVs than in other cars because of their increased height and the distance between the driver and the tailgate or rear window.


Some trucks and SUVs have blind spots almost 50 ft. long behind their bumpers.
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Re: SUVs no safer for kids

Unread postby coyote » Tue 03 Jan 2006, 21:36:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'A')s for milage, thats not entirely accurate. My Expedition gets 14. I can leave it parked in the driveway idling or blast down the Interstate at 90....14.

How do you know that? Do Expeditions come with mpg gauges?

The mpg guage in my Prius tells me that, in general, the harder I step on the accelerator, the more quickly I use fuel. I can save a lot of gas by backing off a little. It's changed the way I drive. I'd be pretty surprised if other vehicles were completely different from that.
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Re: SUVs no safer for kids

Unread postby Dukat_Reloaded » Tue 03 Jan 2006, 22:06:38

SUV's are safer if you crash into people. If your a bad driver, it's a good safety hedge.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')an. 3 - Florida police are investigating the death of a couple killed when a woman rammed her sport utility vehicle into the back of their motorcycle and then drove several hundred yards with the bodies on top of her hood.

Police report the woman only stopped when the Harley-Davidson embedded in the front of her SUV burst into flames, setting the vehicle on fire.

The SUV struck the Harley with enough force to activate the vehicle’s airbags. Reports indicate the woman told police she didn’t know what happened.
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