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Will Indentured Servitude return?

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 01 Jan 2006, 18:59:48

I was surfing today and stumbled across this ARTICLE and realized the author has a point. In the distant past indentured servitude was a way for bankrupt people to support themselves for a known period of time while getting back on their financial feet.

Will it be coming back in the doomer scenario?
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Re: Will Indentured Servitude return?

Unread postby Jack » Sun 01 Jan 2006, 19:18:06

Absolutely. Also sharecropping. In a few decades, I expect to see serfdom and - perhaps - chattel slavery again.

Unless someone wishes to argue that humankind has gotten kinder, gentler, and more compassionate in the last 150 years.... :roll:
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Re: Will Indentured Servitude return?

Unread postby gego » Sun 01 Jan 2006, 20:26:46

How many of you without the means of escaping the dependency of city life would jump at the chance to move to the countryside as an indentured servant?

As more human labor is needed to replace mechanization on the farm, and as city life becomes more unbearable, such arrangements, I think, are likely to be seen as a means of survival for those lucky enough.
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Re: Will Indentured Servitude return?

Unread postby coyote » Sun 01 Jan 2006, 22:18:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Compassionate Slavery

... is the name of the article.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ny society, whether a village of fifty people, a great city, or a nation, can practice this biblical, compassionate slavery by teaching very young children compassionate mastery.

Yikes!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he child with the cruel streak will, of course, torture some of his/ her servants, even as I did as an adult, just for the thrill of being an evil god every now and then.

What the...?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t is a small leap from the care of earthworms, to larger animals, to the homeless people and down and outers.

No, it's a pretty big leap from an earthworm to a human being...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here is an ever rising demand in the American sunbelt states for both inexpensive and upscale Winter accommodations for the growing numbers of retired gypsies, affectionately called snowbirds by the permanent residents.

Canadians on vacation are all gypsies?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n the center of the park would be the formerly homeless in landscaped tent sites...

Why post links to stuff like this? Whoever this author is, he needs serious psychological help. I'm not being facetious, this guy's in trouble.
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Re: Will Indentured Servitude return?

Unread postby Wrencher » Sun 01 Jan 2006, 22:38:05

Maybe a better question is: "Will I or my children ever become indentured servants'.

For a lot of people in the world today, slavery is a fact. It is probably closer than you think. Not too many years ago my family had a reunion dinner at a local chinese resturant. As I went to pay the check I chatted with the girl at the register. She was very young - mid to late teens, and younger than my daughters at the time. You could tell that she was trying out her english on me by talking about more indepth subjects than what the bill was.

She told me that she was married to the cook, and that her mother lived in Bejing - she had a special calling card to call mainland China. She said that she and her husband worked seven days per week, and that they would do this for the next three or four years to pay off their debts....

We know quite a few Mexicans that have come across and work in almost indentured conditions - I guess they can quit and go some where else if they want too, so it is not quite the same, but it is a pretty tough row to hoe.

In India, the caste system has been outlawed - at least on the books, but millions of lower caste people work in virtual slavery all of their lives. There was a National Geographic article a couple of years ago about it..

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/photo ... hoto4.html

And another article on slavery world wide:

http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0309/feature1/

I don't know that it would have to become common.... and truly hope that it doesn't. A voluntary indenturement would be one thing, but I don't think it is in the nature of slavers to ever grant freedom.
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Re: Will Indentured Servitude return?

Unread postby Heineken » Sun 01 Jan 2006, 23:12:10

I look forward to indenturing some of my former employers for hard labor on my land.
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Re: Will Indentured Servitude return?

Unread postby MicroHydro » Mon 02 Jan 2006, 04:16:29

Never went away here, plenty of openings for sharemilkers in the Waikato dairy industry.
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Re: Will Indentured Servitude return?

Unread postby Specop_007 » Mon 02 Jan 2006, 04:22:02

Hell, it practically exists today.
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Re: Will Indentured Servitude return?

Unread postby EnergySpin » Mon 02 Jan 2006, 13:31:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Compassionate Slavery

... is the name of the article.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ny society, whether a village of fifty people, a great city, or a nation, can practice this biblical, compassionate slavery by teaching very young children compassionate mastery.

Yikes!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he child with the cruel streak will, of course, torture some of his/ her servants, even as I did as an adult, just for the thrill of being an evil god every now and then.

What the...?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t is a small leap from the care of earthworms, to larger animals, to the homeless people and down and outers.

No, it's a pretty big leap from an earthworm to a human being...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here is an ever rising demand in the American sunbelt states for both inexpensive and upscale Winter accommodations for the growing numbers of retired gypsies, affectionately called snowbirds by the permanent residents.
Canadians on vacation are all gypsies?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n the center of the park would be the formerly homeless in landscaped tent sites...
Why post links to stuff like this? Whoever this author is, he needs serious psychological help. I'm not being facetious, this guy's in trouble.
That was a pretty good article ... very convicing.
I showed it to an anti-nuclear friend of mine, and he just finished writing a letter to his politician demanding MORE nuclear power to keep the lights on and avoid a manure/compassionate slavery powered utopia.
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Re: Will Indentured Servitude return?

Unread postby Slowpoke » Mon 02 Jan 2006, 13:57:03

Hah, compassionate slavery, what a sick joke. It's like saying compassionate rape.
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Re: Will Indentured Servitude return?

Unread postby RdSnt » Mon 02 Jan 2006, 13:59:55

I think you need to give yourselves a collective head shake.
You are already indentured slaves. Looking at the apathy and complacency of all Americans in a country that is self-destructing wholesale and there can be no other answer than that you have enslaved yourselves to the myth of the American Dream.
It's dead and what's left is a voluntary, lock-step march to fascist enslavement. All in the name of clinging to the last few months of debt financed comfort.
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Re: Will Indentured Servitude return?

Unread postby ubercynicmeister » Mon 02 Jan 2006, 20:38:00

"Return"?

It never went away...it's just changed form, nowadays we call it "the credit card".
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Re: Will Indentured Servitude return?

Unread postby threadbear » Mon 02 Jan 2006, 20:46:22

Indentured servitude? Isn't that a bit presumptuous? Who says the poor will be able to afford false teeth.
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Re: Will Indentured Servitude return?

Unread postby elroy » Mon 02 Jan 2006, 21:22:50

We call it a 'job' nowadays. And we don't pay tribute to lords, we pay taxes to governments. So much changes, yet so much remains the same.
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Re: Will Indentured Servitude return?

Unread postby frankthetank » Mon 02 Jan 2006, 21:46:30

I do it everyday. I work for the man!
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Re: Will Indentured Servitude return?

Unread postby Seadragon » Mon 02 Jan 2006, 21:56:43

"The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."

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Re: Will Indentured Servitude return?

Unread postby sventvkg » Mon 02 Jan 2006, 22:27:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'A')bsolutely. Also sharecropping. In a few decades, I expect to see serfdom and - perhaps - chattel slavery again.

Unless someone wishes to argue that humankind has gotten kinder, gentler, and more compassionate in the last 150 years.... :roll:


Sorry Jack, but over my and millions of other's Dead former Military trained bodies....There are a LOT more of us then there are of them and it will be an outright revolution before you'll see me as a surf to some Rich Elitist...

Some people just need to grow some nuts take a stand..Most will not but it only takes a few percent of us and I believe we have that in the US.
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Re: Will Indentured Servitude return?

Unread postby sventvkg » Mon 02 Jan 2006, 22:35:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RdSnt', 'I') think you need to give yourselves a collective head shake.
You are already indentured slaves. Looking at the apathy and complacency of all Americans in a country that is self-destructing wholesale and there can be no other answer than that you have enslaved yourselves to the myth of the American Dream.
It's dead and what's left is a voluntary, lock-step march to fascist enslavement. All in the name of clinging to the last few months of debt financed comfort.


You hit the nail on the head and unfortunately most of my brethren can't see it...It's a sad sad state in the USA today.
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Re: Will Indentured Servitude return?

Unread postby Heineken » Mon 02 Jan 2006, 22:43:50

Each year until---when is "Tax Relief Day" now, sometime in May?---Americans are slaves of the US government. And in return they don't even get the basic health care citizens of most other industrialized countries can count on (not until the US slaves are 65 and worn out, that is). Instead, they get an empire of 750 military bases spanning the globe, and death-ray weapons programs for the Pentagon.
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Re: Will Indentured Servitude return?

Unread postby duke3522 » Mon 02 Jan 2006, 23:05:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sventvkg', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'A')bsolutely. Also sharecropping. In a few decades, I expect to see serfdom and - perhaps - chattel slavery again.

Unless someone wishes to argue that humankind has gotten kinder, gentler, and more compassionate in the last 150 years.... :roll:


Sorry Jack, but over my and millions of other's Dead former Military trained bodies....There are a LOT more of us then there are of them and it will be an outright revolution before you'll see me as a surf to some Rich Elitist...

Some people just need to grow some nuts take a stand..Most will not but it only takes a few percent of us and I believe we have that in the US.


Slavery, Indentured servitude, or serfdom or whatever you want to call it, will NOT be happening anytime soon here in the US. The population as a whole is way to well armed for anything like that to happen.

Now all of us marching off together to some sort of fascist future is a much better possibility.
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