[PenultimateManStanding]

When I was a small boy they used to ask me, "PMS, what do you want to be when you grow up?" I would say, "I'm going to be a writer!" Well, thanks to peakoil.com I can write and dozens and dozens of people read it! It gives me great joy and satisfaction and my childhood dreams have come true.

[holmes]

I try and read all your stuff. and by the way I have nto had the time to listen to the Dylan CD. Maybe Ill jam it at the office tommorrow.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 't')he Dylan CD. Maybe Ill jam it at the office tommorrow.

[PenultimateManStanding]

BTW, holmes, Blonde On Blonde is an interesting title for an album. It came out in the midsixties not long after Marty Robbins had a big hit with his saccharine White On White, a sentimental sweet tune. Blonde on Blonde was very subversive and rebellious. The title has sly sexual insinuations, as well as artistic associations. A very influential record for 1966 when popular music was not yet in rebellion against the 'Establishment'. Boy did that ever change and change fast after '66. So this record, which I think you'll agree still sounds good today, was an important link in social history. The very first song goes, "well they'll stone ya when your tryin to be so good, they'll stone ya just like they said they would, but I would not feel so all alone, EVERYBODY MUST GET STONED!"

[PenultimateManStanding]

If anybody want to check out what this stuff sounds like, you can hear segments here: http://bobdylan.com/albums/blonde.html

[PenultimateManStanding]

I'd be glad to hear anybody's opinion about it, but viewed as a historical question (since that's all it amounts to now) the turning of the youth away from established adult-driven culture, away from safe conformist attitudes, the total annihilation of the 50s consensus Eisenhower Corporate Man Country Club, Golfing, square world, the counterculture emerging as a denial of button-down, repressed America went critical-mass with Bob Dylan in 1965-1966. The Beatles were still singing love songs and the Stones were doing their greaser thing in 65. Bringing It All Back Home, Highway 61 Revisited, and then finally, Blonde On Blonde in '66 changed everything. (not for me at the time, though, I was just 12 and digging the Beatles Love Songs and The Supremes, Sam & Dave Herman's Hermits, The Monkeys, etc and pouring coolade powder on pickles and eating candy). In fact, it was a one-two punch; Hugh Heffner was undermining the foundations from the other side.

[PenultimateManStanding]

Here's an example of how the Dylan influence percolated out into the general culture: The first song on the album, Rainy Day Women #12 & 35 about smoking marijuana was not something that was played on popular rock 'n roll Top 40 type stations. It was too blatant. But Donovan, who made a career out of mimicking Dylan, appropriated the same burlesque jazz parody style (complete with the fake party-laughter background noises) to deliver his more subtle drug message in his huge hit Mellow Yellow which did get Top 40 radio play. The 'buzz' rumor was that you could get high by smoking banana peels as a result of this song. I kid you not. I never tried this goofy approach (why bother, since by then pot was in the High Schools anyway) but I knew two brothers in my neighborhood who actually tried it. They got a headache, they told me.

[holmes]

why thank u for the critique. Very interesting. I love this kind of beatnick underground coffee house stuff. Cool. I like Marty Robbins alot. very cool.

[holmes]

But the SOBs in the 60s did not do anything notable really. There were a small percentage that actually did set up alternate communities. Not enough committed though. These were the real hippies. Mostly only smoked pot and drank beer. They had real skills too. carpentry, farming, balcksmithing, etc.. the renowned hippies that are in our media are the drugged out undisciplined yuppies of today. They were like u said a joke and nothing was counter culture really. Oh I do not like the media one bit.
its too bads those true hippies did not get the kids "hooked". I think Dylan was listened too alot by the non lsd. I grew up in woodstock area and Dylans mark is everywhere up there.

[Lokutus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'W')hen I was a small boy they used to ask me, "PMS, what do you want to be when you grow up?" I would say, "I'm going to be a writer!" Well, thanks to peakoil.com I can write and dozens and dozens of people read it! It gives me great joy and satisfaction and my childhood dreams have come true.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'w')hy thank u for the critique. Very interesting. I love this kind of beatnick underground coffee house stuff. Cool. I like Marty Robbins alot. very cool.

[holmes]

Let me analyze that and maybe i can come up with the meaning. Is that Jack Karowack? That dude was cool. Think about the freedom that existed in the 60s and early 70's. Those were the last of the great years of the US. Resources were still plentiful. things were cheap and well made. The rat race was not nearly as insane. Must have been neat. Heck the changes since my childhood have been great as well. But the big change came in the early seventies. Must have been those mentally ill policies enacted post ww2. they came to fruition(their results) in the early seventies. damn scary times but must have been so cool to be alive in those days.
we/things werent played out. Now things have to be sensationalized and "alternative" to even keep attentions. kinda like old played out whores.
Simple things keep me going. yet I never gang banged thousands and thousands of men and women while snorting meth, heroin, and extacy.
"all in a night out Clubbing".
LOL!

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'L')et me analyze that and maybe i can come up with the meaning. Is that Jack Karowack? That dude was cool.

[Chuck]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'A')h yes, Blonde on Blonde.

[oowolf]

re: "Bringing it all Back Home, Highway 61 Revisited, Blonde on Blonde". I love those records. They remind me of a time (when I was in high school) that was an orgy of musical discoveries. I was hitting the thrift stores where I discovered a mother lode of great musicians from Pegleg Howell to Rosa Ponselle to Jimmie Rodgers to Oscar Celestin's Original Tuxedo Jazz Orchestra to Richard Tauber.

Frank Zappa, Robert Johnson, Raymond Scott... it just went on and on...and it was all crammed into a period of about 4 years.

Ah, those were the days..

[PrairieMule]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'w')hy thank u for the critique. Very interesting. I love this kind of beatnick underground coffee house stuff. Cool. I like Marty Robbins alot. very cool.

[PenultimateManStanding]

The beat era lingo is cool. Some of it is still around and some long forgotten.
Seems that originally beatnik was derogatory for some kind of beat wannabe. Link's a mess mule-cat, sends me; could spend a set o' seven brights just takin it in.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', ' ')kinda like old played out whores.

[PenultimateManStanding]

But back on the beat thing, Thelonius Monk had the keenest mind for music and original expression. I like him much better than Ornette Coleman though that's good too. That era had the finest musical minds America ever produced. Behind the really popular mainstream stuff you find the 50s avant garde jazz which was phenomenally good music.

[aldente]

Chuck, your avatar is magic, all kudos to you!

owolf, as far as Frank Zappa is concerned I am all with you equally...