Jeebus. They've now lost any semblence of freedoms.
I wonder if this is something which could, in time, step by step (Just like it happened to them) happen to us.....
I think it is. Between the Democrats and Republicans, we're slowly losing all our freedoms and rights.
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Now you can be arrested for any offence
By John Steele, Crime Correspondent
(Filed: 29/12/2005)
Police are to be given sweeping powers to arrest people for every offence, including dropping litter, failure to wear a seat belt and other minor misdemeanours.
The measures, which come into force on Jan 1, are the biggest expansion in decades of police powers to deprive people of their liberty.
At present, officers can generally arrest people if they suspect them of committing an offence which carries at least five years in prison. They will now have the discretion to detain someone if they suspect any offence and think that an arrest is "necessary".
The civil liberties organisation Liberty said the change represented "a fundamental shift" in power from the public to the police and the state and was open to misuse.
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Re: 1/1/06. You can be arrested for any reason
by Jack » Wed 28 Dec 2005, 22:17:05
Truth be told, police already have that power. At one time, one could be arrested for any offense, other than speeding - so, one could go to jail for littering, for foul and abusive language, or for driving along with a broken tail light.
I seem to recall a fairly recent SCOTUS decision that limited this to some degree, but in general, if the police want to arrest someone, they can do it.
I seem to recall a fairly recent SCOTUS decision that limited this to some degree, but in general, if the police want to arrest someone, they can do it.
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Re: 1/1/06. You can be arrested for any reason
by Schneider » Wed 28 Dec 2005, 22:59:05
Sigh..another step on the side of dictatorship 
(or a police state) ? I have to admit that i'm kinda afraid to see our neighbor (witch is the last remaining superpower) turning like that 
...
I truly hope i'm wrong !
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Re: 1/1/06. You can be arrested for any reason
by Leanan » Wed 28 Dec 2005, 23:27:33
I'm waiting to see what happens with Snoopgate. If Bush gets away with it, I'll know freedom is really dead.
Though I have to say, I wouldn't be surprised. Tainter predicts that as resources get scarce, people lose their freedom and the government grows more authoritarian...
Though I have to say, I wouldn't be surprised. Tainter predicts that as resources get scarce, people lose their freedom and the government grows more authoritarian...
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Re: 1/1/06. You can be arrested for any reason
by RdSnt » Wed 28 Dec 2005, 23:42:53
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'J')eebus. They've now lost any semblence of freedoms.
I wonder if this is something which could, in time, step by step (Just like it happened to them) happen to us.....
I think it is. Between the Democrats and Republicans, we're slowly losing all our freedoms and rights.
I wonder if this is something which could, in time, step by step (Just like it happened to them) happen to us.....
I think it is. Between the Democrats and Republicans, we're slowly losing all our freedoms and rights.
What do you mean "if"? Give your head a shake.
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Re: 1/1/06. You can be arrested for any reason
by DomusAlbion » Wed 28 Dec 2005, 23:54:40
Britain has always been tougher on its citizens in the civil liberties area and this is not the first time very strict measures have been implemented.
The actions of the British police were swift and brutal during the height of "the troubles" in Northern Ireland and the bombings taking place in both Belfast and London. For the most part they were effective and fair but did overstep and misuse their authority. A prime example being the Guildford Four back in the 1970s.
The actions of the British police were swift and brutal during the height of "the troubles" in Northern Ireland and the bombings taking place in both Belfast and London. For the most part they were effective and fair but did overstep and misuse their authority. A prime example being the Guildford Four back in the 1970s.
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Re: 1/1/06. You can be arrested for any reason
by frankthetank » Wed 28 Dec 2005, 23:57:02
Good reason to be RELATED to police...
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Re: 1/1/06. You can be arrested for any reason
by Geology_Guy » Thu 29 Dec 2005, 10:49:59
I wonder if Aldridge Ames could get a new trial seeing how Bill Clinton spied on him without warrents?
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Re: 1/1/06. You can be arrested for any reason
by TITAN » Thu 29 Dec 2005, 11:16:42
Yet another good reason to be a member of the national guard...I'd rather be the police than policed...
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Re: 1/1/06. You can be arrested for any reason
by SinisterBlueCat » Thu 29 Dec 2005, 12:15:41
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'J')eebus. They've now lost any semblence of freedoms.
I wonder if this is something which could, in time, step by step (Just like it happened to them) happen to us.....
I think it is. Between the Democrats and Republicans, we're slowly losing all our freedoms and rights.
I wonder if this is something which could, in time, step by step (Just like it happened to them) happen to us.....
I think it is. Between the Democrats and Republicans, we're slowly losing all our freedoms and rights.
if you are worried about such things happening to us here, then why(!) do you hate the ACLU?
The mission of the ACLU is to preserve all of these protections and guarantees:
* Your First Amendment rights-freedom of speech, association and assembly. Freedom of the press, and freedom of religion supported by the strict separation of church and state.
* Your right to equal protection under the law - equal treatment regardless of race, sex, religion or national origin.
* Your right to due process - fair treatment by the government whenever the loss of your liberty or property is at stake.
* Your right to privacy - freedom from unwarranted government intrusion into your personal and private affairs.
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Re: 1/1/06. You can be arrested for any reason
by Jake_old » Thu 29 Dec 2005, 13:03:13
Sadly, this has been on the cards for quite some time 15 years (maybe more). Going back to Thatcher’s Criminal Justice Bill that made unauthorised gatherings of more than 10 people unlawful. The reason given then was that they were mini ‘Raves’. The few of us who were outraged by this were labelled druggie ravers.
People thought ‘well I don’t want to attend a rave, so who cares.’
We didn’t know then that there was going to be a 911. Most if not all of us didn’t think about hydrocarbon depletion. People like us just wanted to party like it was 1999 and we didn’t think the government should stop us.
Deregulation of the market (believe it or not) restricts the freedom of individuals to own and run small businesses.
The selling off of OUR state infrastructure was spun as freedom as the public could own shares in the industries being privatised. They were fucking OURS in the first place.
We are not allowed to shout ‘rubbish’ at a political conference.
We are not allowed to incite religious hatred, whatever that means. Seems to me that all monotheistic religions deny the existence of other gods, surely that could be twisted to become an arrestable offence, and atheism, lets not go there.
People were laughed at in this country and over there in the US for saying that one day we’ll have ID chip implants. I know that you know it is happening now over there albeit privately and with consent.
ID cards for all (except we argue over here about who should pay, the government or the citizen, people have forgotten that its all our money whether we pay cash over the counter or the elite use our tax money).
I get the impression that we Brits have your sympathy and I thank you for it.
It is easier for the authorities to take our rights away because it was they that gave them to us. That is not the case for you in the US, your rights are inalienable, and you would have to give your rights up, willingly.
Once the citizens of the US give up their rights, I doubt we will see much liberty in the world for a great length of time, if ever.
You guys are the leaders of the free world; please lead, as you would wish to be lead.
People thought ‘well I don’t want to attend a rave, so who cares.’
We didn’t know then that there was going to be a 911. Most if not all of us didn’t think about hydrocarbon depletion. People like us just wanted to party like it was 1999 and we didn’t think the government should stop us.
Deregulation of the market (believe it or not) restricts the freedom of individuals to own and run small businesses.
The selling off of OUR state infrastructure was spun as freedom as the public could own shares in the industries being privatised. They were fucking OURS in the first place.
We are not allowed to shout ‘rubbish’ at a political conference.
We are not allowed to incite religious hatred, whatever that means. Seems to me that all monotheistic religions deny the existence of other gods, surely that could be twisted to become an arrestable offence, and atheism, lets not go there.
People were laughed at in this country and over there in the US for saying that one day we’ll have ID chip implants. I know that you know it is happening now over there albeit privately and with consent.
ID cards for all (except we argue over here about who should pay, the government or the citizen, people have forgotten that its all our money whether we pay cash over the counter or the elite use our tax money).
I get the impression that we Brits have your sympathy and I thank you for it.
It is easier for the authorities to take our rights away because it was they that gave them to us. That is not the case for you in the US, your rights are inalienable, and you would have to give your rights up, willingly.
Once the citizens of the US give up their rights, I doubt we will see much liberty in the world for a great length of time, if ever.
You guys are the leaders of the free world; please lead, as you would wish to be lead.
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Re: 1/1/06. You can be arrested for any reason
by nero » Thu 29 Dec 2005, 13:47:22
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Geology_Guy', 'I') wonder if Aldridge Ames could get a new trial seeing how Bill Clinton spied on him without warrents?
Your source? I checked media matters that often tries to debunk republican talking points and they have got me convinced. The administration received 9 warrants for taping Ames' phones.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MediaMatters', ' ')(Myth #9) Aldrich Ames investigation is example of Clinton administration bypassing FISA regulations
Some conservatives have specifically cited the joint CIA/FBI investigation of Aldrich Ames, a CIA analyst ultimately convicted of espionage, as an example of Clinton invoking executive authority to overstep FISA by authorizing a physical search of a suspect without a court order. For example, on the December 21 edition of CNN's The Situation Room, Republican attorney Victoria Toensing falsely claimed that the Clinton administration did "carry out that authority" to bypass the FISA requirements "when they went into Aldrich Ames's house without a warrant."
But as with Gorelick's testimony, the Ames investigation took place before the 1995 FISA amendment requiring warrants for physical searches. In other words, in conducting these searches, the Clinton administration did not bypass FISA because FISA did not address physical searches. Further, there is ample evidence that the Clinton administration complied with the FISA requirements that did exist on wiretapping: U.S. District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth, who previously served on the FISA court, has noted the "key role" the court played in the Ames case to "authorize physical entries to plant eavesdropping devices"; and former deputy assistant attorney general Mark M. Richard established that "the Attorney General was asked to sign as many as nine certifications to the FISA court in support of applications for FISA surveillance" during the Ames investigation.
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