[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I') had taken the attitude that I'll just have to go along with the general fate of everyone else and hope for the best. I can't do it. It is neccessary to prepare. I can't say it will do any good, but I have to try. Water storage, seed banks, medicine, whatever it takes. One has to try and be ready for the worst. I still have my bolt-cutters that I bought for Y2K, and a rather good collection of seeds. Unfortunately they are 6 years old. New ones are coming in the mail. Drought-resistant seeds can be found at nativeseeds.org. Some seeds last for more than six years. I'll try them out this coming spring. I do expect that things will continue normally for a few more years, but you never know. The way I look at it, I pay big bucks for car insurance, I can get alot of prep stuff for alot less. Five gallon water buckets can be had dirt cheap at donut shops. Oh, and hot chili peppers make a good form of natural pesticide.

[Gorm]

why will all doctors die? are they pre-destined to all die-off all at the same time, and no more will ever be educated?

And besides, opium is addictive and be addicted to anything will not benefit you in a post -chrash life, not that it befefits you nowdays either.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gorm', 'w')hy will all doctors die? are they pre-destined to all die-off all at the same time, and no more will ever be educated?

And besides, opium is addictive and be addicted to anything will not benefit you in a post -chrash life, not that it befefits you nowdays either.

[Gorm]

so you think all addictions are the same? That addtioction to get up in the morning will be just as bad as addciton to oipum? Just courius..

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gorm', 's')o you think all addictions are the same? That addtioction to get up in the morning will be just as bad as addciton to oipum? Just courius..

[PenultimateManStanding]

Gorm, I mentioned that it was the possiblity of total collapse that I was aiming to prepare for. Not that I have any certain knowledge that it will happen (or even that I have a remote chance of surviving such conditions). So the doctors who survive will still have their knowledge, but not much else to do their practice with. In fact, having the ability to produce morphine could make one very useful to doctors who are still around. It's all very dicey of course. If society remains up and running then this whole discussion is moot because you have to be licensed to produce morphine. Also, addiction isn't the issue, it's having teeth pulled without anaesthetics, etc.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', '
')And make certain you've identified the flower correctly! SOme species of poppy don't
contain many opiates - others are loaded with them.

[Gorm]

Well, I dont see that painkilling addctive drugs will be hard to come by post crash. A lot of people knows how to cultivate haschich-plants and whatever. It migth be harder in a repressive state that bans those things than in a post-crash world were people do as they like. Growing drugs will not be uncommun I guess.

[Ludi]

I think they might be quite hard to come by in some areas. Not in the cities or in some parts of various countries (Northern California in the US, for instance), but in other areas they might be very rare indeed.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') think they might be quite hard to come by in some areas. Not in the cities or in some parts of various countries (Northern California in the US, for instance), but in other areas they might be very rare indeed.

[Ayoob]

I know a lot of people that think that making beer is going to be their job after the crash. You think it's going to be opium. Meh.

I bet that security is going to be a booming field. Medicine. Construction/salvage. After that, permaculture type farming, garden set-up, and I don't really know what else.

Most people are either going to be sucking some rich guy's d!ck or cracking the poor guy's skull. Like it is everywhere else in the world. Or maybe you'll figure out how to run a little cottage business and muddle along (which means you're one of the poor guys getting your skull cracked every once in a while).

Maybe ranching will work out. Knife sharpening could be a decent profession. The trades will be pretty decent. I'd bet specializing in really high-end furniture making would be a nice way to make a living.

What were the guilds in the Middle Ages? Find out which ones did well and then subtract the ones that won't have the raw materials available. Masonry, for example. I think we've dug up kind of a lot of the rock, lots of abandoned quarries. You never know, though. It still might be good. Maybe pouring and shaping cement will replace masonry. I'm just talking out of my ass on that, please ignore.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') think they might be quite hard to come by in some areas. Not in the cities or in some parts of various countries (Northern California in the US, for instance), but in other areas they might be very rare indeed.

[PenultimateManStanding]

I don't follow your logic, spec. It will get more expensive, naturally. But it would also seem to get scarcer because of the lower energy density of coal, which would have to make up the difference in the depletion years (the nuke plants aren't available yet and neither is the LNG infrastructure intact yet). In other words, peak oil=peak energy by definition. You're an engineer and so maybe you could explain the flaw here in my thinking. We can't even get these politicians to start Anwar drilling for the cushion it would give while we build the nuke/LNG infrastructure. Everything seems like it's destined to be a case of "a day late and a dollar short". Our use of oil for transport is crucial. Is their any feasibility at all for coal-to-liquids to replace current consumption levels in the transportation sector? Doesn't seem likely, yet here we have our entire economy built around transportation. We're screwed it seems, so where do you get your optimism from, spec?

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I') don't follow your logic, spec. It will get more expensive, naturally. But it would also seem to get scarcer because of the lower energy density of coal, which would have to make up the difference in the depletion years (the nuke plants aren't available yet and neither is the LNG infrastructure intact yet). In other words, peak oil=peak energy by definition. You're an engineer and so maybe you could explain the flaw here in my thinking. We can't even get these politicians to start Anwar drilling for the cushion it would give while we build the nuke/LNG infrastructure. Everything seems like it's destined to be a case of "a day late and a dollar short". Our use of oil for transport is crucial. Is their any feasibility at all for coal-to-liquids to replace current consumption levels in the transportation sector? Doesn't seem likely, yet here we have our entire economy built around transportation. We're screwed it seems, so where do you get your optimism from, spec?

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', ' ')

YGPM.

I have an interesting story for you. I heard it some years back and dismissed it as the ramblings of an man gone senile (Although still mechanically brilliant).
It resurfaced this weekend. Same story, same design, same engineering problems.......Different guy.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', ' ')

YGPM.

I have an interesting story for you. I heard it some years back and dismissed it as the ramblings of an man gone senile (Although still mechanically brilliant).
It resurfaced this weekend. Same story, same design, same engineering problems.......Different guy.

[MicroHydro]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')hink about it, no doctors, no dentists

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MicroHydro', ' ') Cuba has better health statistics than the US, after their post soviet collapse powerdown.

[MicroHydro]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MicroHydro', ' ') Cuba has better health statistics than the US, after their post soviet collapse powerdown.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MicroHydro', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MicroHydro', ' ') Cuba has better health statistics than the US, after their post soviet collapse powerdown.