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Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby weirdo27 » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 00:58:23

When the end really begins to come down do you think you are gonna be a survivor? Do you imagine yourself still making it to being 80-100 years old?
I just dont know, im pretty confident ill be one of the ones to die off in the massive die offs.
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby MicroHydro » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 04:21:39

In my currrent location, there will certainly be food and water. It never gets below 10C (50F) here, so I won't freeze either. But global nuclear war, smallpox, bird flu, etc., are wild cards.

None of us knows how long we have. So cherish your loved ones, your pets, your hobbies, the sun, moon, and stars.
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby Neuromancer » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 04:23:52

Same situation for me as for Microhydro. I live in a city (around 500k ppl) but I have the posibility to reach a safe/permanent location in a village (in about 2 hours drive, to a house which my family owns, old style, Easter Europe, no gas, no electricity, no sewage, but perfectly sustainable in the old ways). There I'm certain I can resist a bit longer than the average citizen. But, ... a nuclear war, a pandemic or some E.L.E. will likely reduce everybody's chance to around 10% (I presume).

By attitude I consider myself informed and a survivor, but there's plenty of work to do.

I hope for 75 age :). My hope.
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby AmericanEmpire » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 04:45:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') just dont know, im pretty confident ill be one of the ones to die off in the massive die offs.


What makes you so confident you are going to die?
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby Ayoob » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 04:53:02

The Crimea River is located adjacent to

De Nile
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby TorrKing » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 05:28:45

I am totally confidant that I will survive, as long as I survive bird-flu and isn't killed by other people. Food will be no problem. 80-100, I don't think so, but you never know.

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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby TorrKing » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 05:48:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'T')he Crimea River is located adjacent to

De Nile


And what is that got to do with it? The Crimea is in the Ukraine.

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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby Battle_Scarred_Galactico » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 06:09:37

Who can say. I'm just going to do my best and hope that it's enough.
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby Windmills » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 11:19:32

I certainly hope so. However, timing is everything. If I have enough time to prepare, I think I have a good chance. I'm working on preparations, but there's still a lot to do. If I had a spare $100,000, I'd probably be much more certain.
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby VinceG » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 12:54:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('weirdo27', 'I') just dont know, im pretty confident ill be one of the ones to die off in the massive die offs.


I guess you're right! With such an ":? OH MY GOD we're ALL going to DIE and there's just absolutely NOTHING we can do about it :? :(" I'm pretty sure you'll be the first one to fade away :)
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby FairMaiden » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 13:55:40

I am going to die at some point - thats for sure. But maybe the "die-off" won't happen until I'm 80? I don't think we can be sure its so near. Everyday on this site I see "here it is", "here it comes"...and I'm not so sure anyone will know until its passed. In the early 1900's folks were worried about oil shortages and not being able to find enough oil (which was valid bc they were worried about becoming an oil dependant society). Its been over 80 yrs and we are still debating it!
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby Guest » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 14:12:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('weirdo27', 'W')hen the end really begins to come down do you think you are gonna be a survivor? Do you imagine yourself still making it to being 80-100 years old?
I just dont know, im pretty confident ill be one of the ones to die off in the massive die offs.


I read a book on survival camping once. This guy's idea of a great camping trip was to leave home with only his levis on, and go and 'survive' for two weeks in the mountains or desert. No matches, no food, no pocket knife, no shelter. He has a lot of skills that I don't have and probably never will, but he said that the greatest part of surviving was wanting to. So, Weirdo27, whatcha got to live for? A lot I hope.

This guys name (if I remember right) was Larry Dean Olson. He told about taking a group of scouts into the mountains and that with food all around them they wouldn't eat and that he had to bring them home early to prevent serious consequences. Granted, the food that was there was not what they were used to - cattail roots (toasted - yum?) and a couple of rockchucks that the managed to kill, and some grass seed havested from a nearby meadow. But the kids wouldn't eat it - it wasn't the usual camping fare of baked beans, marshmellows and hot dogs.

When oil and gas get scarce, our economy will likely take a huge hit. People will be out of work - lot's of people. Services might well degrade or even break down. I work in a coal fired power plant. Our coal comes by train, and I expect that even in a total fuel embargo, that the trains that bring the coal to our plant will keep running. They will find it somewhere, and it will go where it is needed. So I anticipate that we will all have electrical power, if not for a full day, then for part of a day, or every other day.

Food might be another thing. Prepare, prepare, prepare. Someone once said that there is "There is more salvation and security in
wheat, than in all the political schemes of the world...." . My Dad once told me that if I thought that I would be out of a job, or that times were going to be tough - that I should buy #100 of pinto beans. He said that would get me through a winter, even if I never wanted to see a bean again. He was the oldest son of five children of a widowed mom and did alot to raise the his siblings, and I think that he had done just that.

The point being that you have time to fill your shelves and under the beds with food and water. Granted, it might well be wheat and beans and dried milk, but that will get you through for a long time and will allow you to stay home in relative safety if conditions on the streets deteriorate. Learn to sprout the grain and you can have salads and stir fry. Buy a wheat grinder and you can learn to bake and have bread. Save some seeds and buy a shovel and learn to garden.....

http://waltonfeed.com/
http://extension.usu.edu/files/foodpubs/fn502.pdf

Just google 'dried food storage' and look at all the resources that are available. Will it solve all of your problems and give you total security? Nope, but a long journey has to be made one step at a time. So if you want to live until you are 80, you have to live through the chaos that might well surround us when big oil shocks come.

Hope that all goes well. Watch the traffic, don't cross the street without looking both ways, don't race trains, don't make toast in the bathtub, and who knows how long you will live.
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby weirdo27 » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 17:19:42

Yes alot of you are right maybe we might not even see a die off in our time humans might just start going to more polluted ways to keep us going for a long while to come. Trust me we will use ever resource the earth has as long as possible to keep our society going so we could last for another 100 years but unlikely. and im sure i will die when the die offs come if im around because i have no survival skills. I rely on grocery stores, i have never cooked for myself. Im a sissy that could not fight anyo;ne or anything. I have bad skills im just a bad person all around. Im not sure if i can change this im trying to but its hard.
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby AmericanEmpire » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 21:40:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'h')umans might just start going to more polluted ways to keep us going for a long while to come


That will probably just insure a die off of all life on earth if we turn to more polluting ways. Sadly I'm certain that when the shit hits the fan all environmental laws are going out the window. We will do everything in our power to try and keep the status quo going. :cry:
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby Princess » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 23:05:08

I don't know if I'll live to 80 or 100, but I know I won't go out with a wimper. I intend to go out fighting, kicking and screaming all the way.
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby VinceG » Thu 15 Dec 2005, 04:01:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FairMaiden', 'B')ut maybe the "die-off" won't happen until I'm 80? I


What do you define as a 'massive die-off'? Millions of people to die in a rather short period (1-2 years?). I find that highly unlikely...
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby AmericanEmpire » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 13:55:31

If it goes down hard like the doomers say then in all likelyhood I will be commiting suicide. Whats the point in living a life of misery and suffering, when you have been used to so much more?

Sorry but I have been spoiled by the oil age and the future we are talking about on here is not one in which I want to live.
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby PrairieMule » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 14:19:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AmericanEmpire', 'I')f it goes down hard like the doomers say then in all likelyhood I will be commiting suicide. Whats the point in living a life of misery and suffering, when you have been used to so much more?

Sorry but I have been spoiled by the oil age and the future we are talking about on here is not one in which I want to live.


Why?

Why would you piss away all that you are when what you are will be in short supply should TSHF. If I were a betting man, I'd say the reality of TSHF could be a reality in 3-10 years, sounds logical? Let me tell you what you are worth. You have Intellegence, awareness today and 3-?? years to pull it together.

What is it specifically that concerns you the most?
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby AmericanEmpire » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 14:42:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat is it specifically that concerns you the most?


Suffering and seeing other people around me suffer. Seeing myself or the people around me looking like those third world people you see that are nothing but skin and bones. Thats one horror image that comes to my mind.

People turning to cannabilism to survive.

Violence the likes of which I have never seen if/when the police protection goes down. The violent types in our society will have a hayday when the shit hits the fan. And how many more will turn to violent acts when they have nothing to lose?


My wife has to have medications so that she doesn't have seizures which I doubt we will be able to get post peak. There is plenty to be worried about. I think life is gonna turn into a living hell.
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Re: Will be one of the survivors?

Unread postby PrairieMule » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 15:34:37

Suffering, violence, Police state, cannibalism. All are possible outcomes, but lets focus on eating the elephant one bite at a time and discuss the possibility of a Police state.

As far as the police state or goverment control, whenever I worry about that I remind myself this is the same goverment that tries to do a census every 10 years. A collective effort to to put a boot to necks of the the american people will trip over it's own bureuacracy. Also I know this sounds strange but If the police state comes I have faith in Local Law enforcement vs the national level. The Police state will come from a national level and not local which will involve federalization of National guardsman, DEA, ATF, FBI, etc and they are grossly outnumbered.I do have concern about the Patriot act I and II and the new "things" put in play. In fact I am watching the filibustering by the Dems on the Patriot act. Local Law enforcement has a different focus than than the groups mentioned before. They have a much better awareness of civil rights due to accountability and training. Although their may be bad apples in local law enforcement who will take advantage of the loosening of civil rights, I believe the average beat cop will not draw his Gloc on his neighbor or someone he goes to church with.

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