[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'T')he externalities of the American free market have finally come home to roost...err, litigate.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'T')he externalities of the American free market have finally come home to roost...err, litigate.

[emersonbiggins]

Fuck if I care, I just like to argue with you, spec.

[aahala]

I didn't even know there was such a thing as the Inuit Circumpolar Conference. LOL

Maybe they'll win in a 100 years. That's how long it took Alaska Natives
to settlement an obscure provision of Russia's sale of the state to the US. Of course, it was only because easement rights had to be obtained
to build the pipeline.

[donshan]

I almost passed this story by. Then after checking into it I decided to post it here as a story that needs much more publicity than it has received. This is the announced closing of the 1580 MWe Mojave coal fired generating plant feeding much needed electricity to California etc. and it is also a loss of jobs and income for the Hopi and Navajo Nations. However digging deeper I find a vision of solar power for the their future. This may be a new beginning of a solution to air pollution and the future of ending coal fired electricity in some locations!

As of December 31, 2005 the coal fired Mojave Generating Station will be shut down, along with the coal mine that was a major source of income for the Hopi and Navajo Indian Nations for the past 30 years. In a 1999 court decree the Utility was given until now, to either install expensive pollution controls or shut down. Many thought the pollution controls would be installed. Instead, the company has chosen PowerDown, closing the coal mine and laying off the workers!

http://www.laughlintimes.com/articles/2 ... ews02a.txt

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ednesday, December 14, 2005 9:42 AM PST

LAUGHLIN — As revelers ring in the New Year, Mohave Generating Station will flip the switch and stop generating power at 12:01 a.m. on Jan. 1, 2006, according to Southern California Edison community affairs director Don Hendren.

The closure will be bittersweet for the Tri-state area, depending on which side of the issue a person is on.

For environmentalists and local residents who have fought hard for this day to come it is a victory. "I look forward to the installation of the pollution control equipment so we can celebrate the reopening of a much cleaner Mohave Generating Station," said Deborah Dauenhauer, who worked for the pollution control changes as part of a local citizens group in Laughlin.

From a business perspective the closure will result in an economic loss of about $300 million per year to the Tri-state area, according to Laughlin Chamber of Commerce executive director Jo Elle Hurns. Not to mention the numerous not-for-profit organizations, schools and community groups who have benefited from generous donations from the station and its employees.

[smallpoxgirl]

{split from "The American Military" by SPG}
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ALBY', 'T')he chinese will pollute the earth and kill their enemies with a previosuly unimaginable and amoral efficiency.

[ALBY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'T')he United States came to exist as an entity by anihilating 99% of the indegineous people that lived in it's current boundaries. When Columbus landed there were 10 million people living here. By 1900 there were only 100,000 Native Americans still living.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ALBY', 'U')nrestricted Warfare, by Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui (Beijing: PLA Literature and Arts Publishing House, February 1999)

[ALBY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'T')hat definitely sounds worse than pinning Congressional Medals of Honor all over soldiers when they use Hotchkiss guns to mow down villages of unarmed people.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A'). Columbus arrived in 1492. America came in 1776 and we were not founded by Italians.

[ALBY]

apparently i have to make your point and mine, as you do not have a point other than you are full of spite for the people who wipe your nose.

[threadbear]

As far as I can glean from her posts, SmallPoxGirl, lives in a a mud hut, eats roots and berries and ministers to the sick. Nobody's wiping her nose. And why make economic arguments to justify a moral point of view, Alby? You want that your daughter grows up in a country without sharia law, but you would have her be complicit in atrocities on foreigners, so she can fuel her car? That is morally reprehensible, but economically pragmatic.

Choose to argue from a set of philosophical consistencies or admit that you can't. It's apples and oranges. And the moral reconciled with the economic is something that CAN be achieved and something we should strive for, no matter what happened in the past. It's called evolution.

[ALBY]

yes, the thread was hijacked.

well, i am sorry i flamed you threadbear... i have a house in the 1000 islands and spend a lot of time in canada and i must admit, it is a great place. hockey night in canada, molson brador and tim hortons...

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ALBY', 'B')ut hey, ask the stockbridge indians, the algonquin and the mahicans about what the mohawk did to them OR the creek or chippewa about the lakota. They killed an enslaved each other and the Mohawks were rumored to be cannibals! I guess our killing them is worse then them killing each other because ... why?

[zoidberg]

Then it may be that murderous aggressiveness is a positive adaptation(Although it'll take a few centuries to begin to prove that I think). Like you illustrated life feeds on life, one group of people killing another people and taking their land is no different than the wolf eating the sheep. Idealism is good for benchmarking I suppose, but in reality its like the saying goes, Though I walk in the valley of Death I fear no evil for I am the biggest baddest sonofabitch in the valley.

[ALBY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'T')he wolf kills a deer. He doesn't say "I am going to set out to eliminate all deer from the planet." He kills and eats deer no faster than nature can provide a new deer.

[erl]

Zoidberg:

Well said.

[hotsacks]

Alby,you're full of 'chit'.But you're forgiven out of pity for your suffering under the white man's burden. An academic education in history is a terrible affliction when it comes to the North American Indian. Those white assed boys scribbling down their notions of indigenous cultures are about as reliable as an AAA map to a pilot flying without instruments in a blizzard.
The Iroquois were bestial? Animals? Monsters depraved preying on their neighbours and those po' white folk?
Nothing quite like scholarly racial profiling.
If you knew anything,the least squib,about anything to do with Iroquois reality,you'd cross yourself twice and get to church for the things you've said.For brains,for bravery,for self governance,for philosophy and poetry,for the arts of war and the glories of a complex mythology,the seven nations beggared all.The'barbarity' trumpeted by modern historians in their tales of Iroquois is,in the fashion of the day,a levelling stroke. If we believe the white man's histories,the average Iroquois spent his days burning,boiling,mutilating and eviscerating his enemies.It's a portrait as ignorant as Rousseau's.
The world's first aboriginal university has opened in Regina,Saskatchewan.You can't teach unless you are native.No white men allowed.I'm looking forward to reading the coming flood of books,tracts,treatises,monographs on Indian history by Indian historians.It should do something to clear the air of two hundred years of European lies.

[Lokutus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hotsacks', 'A')lby,you're full of 'chit'.But you're forgiven out of pity for your suffering under the white man's burden. An academic education in history is a terrible affliction when it comes to the North American Indian. Those white assed boys scribbling down their notions of indigenous cultures are about as reliable as an AAA map to a pilot flying without instruments in a blizzard.
The Iroquois were bestial? Animals? Monsters depraved preying on their neighbours and those po' white folk?
Nothing quite like scholarly racial profiling.
If you knew anything,the least squib,about anything to do with Iroquois reality,you'd cross yourself twice and get to church for the things you've said.For brains,for bravery,for self governance,for philosophy and poetry,for the arts of war and the glories of a complex mythology,the seven nations beggared all.The'barbarity' trumpeted by modern historians in their tales of Iroquois is,in the fashion of the day,a levelling stroke. If we believe the white man's histories,the average Iroquois spent his days burning,boiling,mutilating and eviscerating his enemies.It's a portrait as ignorant as Rousseau's.
The world's first aboriginal university has opened in Regina,Saskatchewan.You can't teach unless you are native.No white men allowed.I'm looking forward to reading the coming flood of books,tracts,treatises,monographs on Indian history by Indian historians.It should do something to clear the air of two hundred years of European lies.

[ALBY]

please hotsacks, how do you know im a white man ?

sorry to challenge the echochamber groupthink orhtodoxy of the red man good white man bad revisionism that passes for scholarship these days.

i have a great deal of respect for the Iroquois and I approach their history from a non judgemental point of view. they were by far the greatest aboriginal society in north america and there is much to admire there. however, it would be disingenous (ignorant) to think they were nice to their neighbors much less their enemies.