[PEK]

Dear Friends, Society will not collapse but the rentier/financier commercial systems will Thank God!

One alternative tried and true will be around for those of us who choose to keep on keeping on. Villages such as these will become the backbone of the communities after the "fall."

Not only will they produce, jewelery from their mines and silver "currency" with lasers, but other basic needs such as soap, clothing, cooking untensils, corn, crops and the like. It´s all pretty simple and clear, a return to the basics

Please see how your vision relates to this and other communities based upon this model:

Tecalpulco, Guerrero, Mexico http://www.artcamp.com.mx/healing/indian.htm

Indigenous Indian Collectives of America http://wc4.worldcrossing.com/webx?14@16 ... @.1ddefd17

[johnmarkos]

BabyPeanut posted this article, which asserts that, "Spain and Britain slaughtered 120 million of my ancestors before Hitler ever hit the scene." The article below explores the complex question of whether indigenous Americans were the victims of genocide.

http://hnn.us/articles/7302.html

Regardless of what one calls the tragedy of contact between Europeans and the indigenous peoples of the Americas, it is instructive to learn more detail about this history.

[oowolf]

The numbers are morally irrelevant.
I wonder if the Germans have an "American Holocaust" museum"?

[eric_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('johnmarkos', 'B')abyPeanut posted this article, which asserts that, "Spain and Britain slaughtered 120 million of my ancestors before Hitler ever hit the scene." The article below explores the complex question of whether indigenous Americans were the victims of genocide.

http://hnn.us/articles/7302.html

Regardless of what one calls the tragedy of contact between Europeans and the indigenous peoples of the Americas, it is instructive to learn more detail about this history.

[johnmarkos]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', '
')It's one very sad chapter in American history seldom heard about
anymore.

[mgibbons19]

I didn't think it was ever in question. I love my country but:

1) massacre, money for heads, smollpoox blankies
2) destroying resources (buffalo)
3) forced assimilation of the children (50s boarding schools)
4) suppression/usurpation of culture (how do you like that dreamcatcher rearview mirror air freshener?)

all qualifies as genocide. I think this is the UN's definition.

The only one missing is 5) mass rape.

[lotrfan55345]

... and wtf is with all the western movies portraying Indians as "savage BEASTS"

[The_Virginian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.') and wtf is with all the western movies portraying Indians as "savage BEASTS

[johnmarkos]

Here's an article by Ward Churchill, "An American Holocaust?
The Structure of Denial."

http://www.sdonline.org/33/ward_churchill.htm

I plan to read David Stannard's book, American Holocaust, as soon as I can get it from the library.

[Ayoob_Reloaded]

Hey, we're nice guys. We wouldn't do anything like this.

[BabyPeanut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/news/state/051103lngsuit.shtml]Passamaquoddy groups sue officials over LNG project (link)[/url]
Associated Press
Thursday, November 3, 2005

BANGOR — Two groups from the Passamaquoddy Tribe on Wednesday sued officials of the federal Bureau of Indian Affairs, saying the BIA failed to represent their views in its review of a proposed liquefied natural gas terminal in eastern Maine. A lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court by a group called We Protect Our Homeland, an affiliate of Save Passamaquoddy Bay Three-Nation Alliance, and six members of the Pleasant Point Passamaquoddy community.

...skip...

The suit claims the BIA failed to conduct an environmental assessment on the impacts of siting a major industrial facility at Split Rock, as required by the National Environmental Policy Act, and violated the National Historic Preservation Act by failing to consider the historic significance of the Split Rock site.

It also says the BIA failed to consider the impact of the lease on the Pleasant Point community, in violation of federal requirements, and failed to ensure that the tribe receives fair market value for the leased lands.

...snip...

[Revi]

We need the LNG, but do they need to site it in a place that could lead to wiping out a whole culture? Couldn't we put it where it wouldn't wipe out the Passamaquoddys? We need it in Maine to replace the Sable Island gas that is in steep decline now. They are already talking about rolling blackouts for the coldest part of the winter, due to shortage of nat gas to fire the Southern Maine power plants. If we don't get LNG in Maine, Irving will do itin New Brunswick and sell it to us anyway.

[peakme]

yup, with emphasis on the PASS and the QUOD.

this is a really tough issue as revi points out. however, if the process was ambushed as suggested by the tribe (what? the govt bypassed due process? huh?), then i can sympathize. i know lots of people won't agree with me, but a little bit of rolling blackout action around here isn't the end of the world. it would get people to wake the f#ck up. and, i would argue, minimizing consumption is far preferable to just jacking up supply inexorably [which will, of course, cease to be an option at some point].

[Leanan]

Sixty or seventy years ago, there was a government proposal to build a tidal power plant in Passamaquoddy Bay. (Tides are stronger the further away from the equator you are, and in narrow bodies of water such as the Bay of Fundy.)

I believe it was one of those government programs meant to give people jobs during the Great Depression by putting them to work on public works. They never went through with it, though, because it was ruled too expensive.

Might be something to reconsider...

[Synergist]

I don't know much about Maine but I do know Eureka, Ca. It is absolutely criminal to propose an LNG harbor in that tiny, remote rural community. It is just more exploitation of the rural poor by the rich urban elites in San Francisco, Sacramento, and above all Los Angeles.

If the people in LA cannot be torn away from their SUVs and their highways then build the explosive LNG terminals right in Santa Monica. Southern California liberals are the biggest hypocrites in the world. They want to drive everywhere, but they want to legislate all the hidden horror out of sight, out of mind.

Californians demand special blends of gasoline that nobody else in the country uses. The precious few refineries in California can barely meet demand. But God forbid anyone build a new refinery, and of course the California government and its host of political interest groups attack and penalize the energy producers.

Yet the California economy apart from agriculture is almost completely dependent on building more subdivisions, assimilating more immigrants; totally dependent on open borders and free trade. And the state government is totally paralyzed and owned by public union employees, because private industry is fleeing the state if not overseas.

It's a shame, California is a beautiful state with a creative, accepting culture. But those same qualities will sew its doom.

[Revi]

We may need to find some place to put an LNG terminal. Sable Island is dwindling. Something needs to be figured out and soon. Or the lights can go out. Boston has a terminal. We don't in Maine. That pipeline needs feeding. Where is the nat gas going to come from?

I've heard that the LNG burns much dirtier because of what you have to add to liquify it. There goes the main argument for natural gas. It's not cleaner, has to be brought in from far away, costs a lot. Why not wind?

[Wildwell]

People living in the Arctic have filed a legal petition against the US government, saying its climate change policies violate human rights.

The Inuit Circumpolar Conference (ICC) claims the US is failing to control emissions of greenhouse gases, damaging livelihoods in the Arctic.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4511556.stm

[Specop_007]

This is the most ridiculous lawsuit I think I've ever heard of.

[emersonbiggins]

The offshoring of negative externalities of the American free market have finally come home to roost...err, litigate.