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Peak Oil Martin Hellman

Unread postby Graeme » Sun 04 Dec 2005, 05:37:25

Peak Oil
Inventor of public key cryptography comments on peak oil, recommends Lovins
Martin Hellman, private communication


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his site discusses Amory Lovins et al's book "Winning the Oil End Game" which posits a radical, but well-researched plan for getting us off our oil addiction. And the projected cost? Negative! In other words, the book predicts that we can conserve oil and substitute alternative, sustainable fuels at a lower cost than burning the oil. In short, if they are right (and so far my checking on their credibility has given them an A+), this plan makes not only good environmental, but also good business sense. With two highly supportive forewords by George Schultz and the former chairman of Royal Dutch Shell, this approach clearly has appeal beyond the normal environmental community.
If you click on "Read the book" it will take you to a link that allows you to download the entire book (1.9 MB so be patient or get broadband) in PDF format for free.
Winning the Oil End Game by Amory Lovins can be downloaded from www.oilendgame.org.


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Re: Peak Oil Martin Hellman

Unread postby Graeme » Sun 04 Dec 2005, 06:13:24

Sorry, this book has already been discussed in this thread:

http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic1735.html+endgame

Does anyone want ot pick it up again?
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Re: Peak Oil Martin Hellman

Unread postby Leanan » Sun 04 Dec 2005, 11:48:52

Sorry, but I think they've already lost the oil endgame.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his assumes that delivered gas prices remain below $8/MBTU — a very safe assumption in our view, whether based on North American gas or on LNG


From Forbes.com: "Natural gas for January delivery climbed to $13.97/MBTU Friday"

So much for their "very safe assumption." :lol:
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Re: Peak Oil Martin Hellman

Unread postby Hegel » Sun 04 Dec 2005, 22:39:25

Hehe, Leanan.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

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Re: Peak Oil Martin Hellman

Unread postby lowem » Sun 04 Dec 2005, 23:13:04

So in addition to the retired geologists, the geeks get it, and so do the engineers, scientists and mathematicians. And so do some Presidents, Prime Ministers and a certain Chairman of the Federal Reserve.

Okay, that's cool.

... now what?
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Re: Peak Oil Martin Hellman

Unread postby donshan » Mon 05 Dec 2005, 01:01:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lowem', 'S')o in addition to the retired geologists, the geeks get it, and so do the engineers, scientists and mathematicians. And so do some Presidents, Prime Ministers and a certain Chairman of the Federal Reserve.

Okay, that's cool.

... now what?


Some economist will write a very academic paper "discovering" an effect of peaking of oil supplies and the impact of this peak on the economy, with lots of new equations. In a few years he will get the Nobel Prize in Economics for the discovery of "Peak Oil", but only after oil production is down by 20% past the peak.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') An economist is an expert who will know tomorrow why the things he predicted yesterday didn't happen today.
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