[abbcampbell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NTBKtrader', 'S')ome mornings I look at the front page and I can't find any news stories to do with peak oil. It's all climate change global warming business news..............peakoil.com is becoming the place NOT to go for insightful peak oil info and that is a fact.

[Leanan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ome mornings I look at the front page and I can't find any news stories to do with peak oil. It's all climate change global warming business news..............peakoil.com is becoming the place NOT to go for insightful peak oil info and that is a fact.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hotsacks', 'C')rises bring out the weekend warriors and ratings go up.The long term 'grinders' here have realized the crisis isn't going away,and its' implications are many and far.Including,and maybe especially,the political fallout.

[oowolf]

Is there a PO-centered political movement or party? Is there a concerted social movement devoted primarily to escaping the squirrel cage of unsustainable existence? Something beyond green yuppie cosmeticism? Is there a political party devoted to the elimination of that artificial necessity the automobile. Is there a general awareness that the private automobile is one of the greatest threats to human existence-that the car has killed more Americans in the last 50 years than all the wars, terrorist attacks, and flu pandemics combined?

How many of you PO aware folks-who KNOW your lifestyle is unsustainable have radically altered the way you live (Beyond the few lifeboat-builders over in the "Planning" section)?

[hotsacks]

[quote="oowolf"

How many of you PO aware folks-who KNOW your lifestyle is unsustainable have radically altered the way you live (Beyond the few lifeboat-builders over in the "Planning" section)?[/quote][QUOTE]

Me.
I did.
I've pierced the seventh veil and seen the light. I'm a biodiesel sniffin',greenhouse growin',community acting,recycling son of a bitch.My nonconsumptive virtues are innumerable.I weep at the sight of Amory Lovins' commandments.Soon I will learn to sing to my tomatoes...
Really,I don't think I'm changing the world by powering down.Many people I admire live McMuchly and make far greater contributions to our overall well being than I do.
It's going to take more than a simple living jihad to turn this ship around.

[Aaron]

I blogged something like this thread some time ago actually.

[NTBKtrader]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
')But, I suppose the folks who have no political opinions are probably too self-absorbed to pay much attention to PO no matter the presentation.

[NTBKtrader]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'I') blogged something like this thread some time ago actually.

[aflurry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('abbcampbell', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aflurry', 'S')o by nature, centrism is ill equiped to address the issue. If a centrist were to use centrist language to descibe Peak Oil, they would either not be faithful to the problem or they would cease to be a centrist.

[aflurry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dissimulo', 'G')ood luck getting politics (or opinions) out of anything.

[aflurry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', '
')Just adressing the fuel cars use(through massive public transit, reduction in car use, and cars that don't need gas) cuts 40% of America's oil consumption. You haven't touched jet fuel, lubricants, asphalt, propane, petroleum distillates, plastics, and many of the other key items oil is used to produce.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NTBKtrader', ' ')
Lets get this straight are you implying that politicians and lobbyists are somehow not self-absorbed and altruistic? and somehow the opposites (which i assume means politicians and lobbyists) will pay attention to the issue?

[NTBKtrader]

I was taking your self absorbed as meaning selfishness and that being involved in politics means not being self-absorbed/selfish. What I think you mean though is people are too narrowly focused to see the big picture and/or what matters more or their grey matter simply doesn't grasp it all and how it effects them or they simply don't care... I am buzzed right now so hopefully im articulating well enough

Anyway, I think we're getting off topic.

I did see those charts and obviously there is a correlation however if other political movements piggyback on peak oil it may not become universally accepted which I think will hurt the cause of educating and getting everyone on the same page.

It's like a lot of environmentalists..I know quite a few conservatives/average joe types that have strong environmental tendencies but they don't participate as much because for example a lot of environmentalists are peta fruitcakes or hard core gay marriage rights activists and it turns most normal people off because they don't want to swallow the "package deal".

[hotsacks]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aflurry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('abbcampbell', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aflurry', 'S')o by nature, centrism is ill equiped to address the issue. If a centrist were to use centrist language to descibe Peak Oil, they would either not be faithful to the problem or they would cease to be a centrist.

[CARVER]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NTBKtrader', '.').. I did see those charts and obviously there is a correlation however if other political movements piggyback on peak oil it may not become universally accepted which I think will hurt the cause of educating and getting everyone on the same page.

It's like a lot of environmentalists..I know quite a few conservatives/average joe types that have strong environmental tendencies but they don't participate as much because for example a lot of environmentalists are peta fruitcakes or hard core gay marriage rights activists and it turns most normal people off because they don't want to swallow the "package deal".

[threadbear]

NBTK Trader, So you think Peak Oil should somehow be packaged to be palatable for "normal" people? That's a tall order, no that's short order. No, wait. That order is exactly 5 ' 10".

Carver, It sounds like cultural creatives eschew the rudimentary basics of a sub-culture. So if it's composed of individuals who wish to remain so, in what sense is it actually a sub-culture?

I find it interesting that the author Lietaur describes New Agers as a small minority. In my neck of the woods, they're a good 50% of the population.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', '
')Just adressing the fuel cars use(through massive public transit, reduction in car use, and cars that don't need gas) cuts 40% of America's oil consumption. You haven't touched jet fuel, lubricants, asphalt, propane, petroleum distillates, plastics, and many of the other key items oil is used to produce.

[MicroHydro]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NTBKtrader', 'I') know quite a few conservatives/average joe types that have strong environmental tendencies but they don't participate as much because for example a lot of environmentalists are peta fruitcakes or hard core gay marriage rights activists and it turns most normal people off because they don't want to swallow the "package deal".

[Flow]

The problem is that most Peak Oilers come off as a bunch of enviromental wacko's that can't wait to get back to the good old days when we stop killing Mother Earth.

The other problem, all of the bogus preditions made in the past that have not come true. It is like the story of the boy that cried wolf. Eventually, nobody will believe it until it is too late

I think the best thing that could be done is to say we have 20-30 years until oil peaks as per the EIA and USGS. Give people hope that we can develop alternatives that will sustain our lives (even if it is B.S. and you don't believe it) but also get the message out that if we don't start ASAP it will all be for not.

The message of "No matter what we do, we are screwed" or "Peak Oil is 5 years away, we are screwed" does not help anything. By giving people hope, they will be much more likely to accept it than by going the other way.

[peaker_2005]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Flow', 'T')he problem is that most Peak Oilers come off as a bunch of enviromental wacko's that can't wait to get back to the good old days when we stop killing Mother Earth.

The other problem, all of the bogus preditions made in the past that have not come true. It is like the story of the boy that cried wolf. Eventually, nobody will believe it until it is too late

I think the best thing that could be done is to say we have 20-30 years until oil peaks as per the EIA and USGS. Give people hope that we can develop alternatives that will sustain our lives (even if it is B.S. and you don't believe it) but also get the message out that if we don't start ASAP it will all be for not.

The message of "No matter what we do, we are screwed" or "Peak Oil is 5 years away, we are screwed" does not help anything. By giving people hope, they will be much more likely to accept it than by going the other way.