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Peak Oil Risks Losing Credibility Because of Pol. Agendas
Re: Peak Oil Risks Losing Credibility Because of Pol. Agenda
by tsakach » Thu 01 Dec 2005, 16:44:45
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Colorado-Valley', 'P')eak oil is geological, and really isn't a problem.
Don't intend to split hairs here, but "peak oil" means the point where the maximum rate of oil extraction occurs. The problem of peak oil wouldn't exist if people simply left it in the ground, but since we currently produce oil by extracting it from the ground, peak oil really is a problem in this context.
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Re: Peak Oil Risks Losing Credibility Because of Pol. Agenda
by donshan » Thu 01 Dec 2005, 17:52:52
The basic problem in explaining peak oil is that the peak is the point of greatest abundance of oil- by definition. It is very hard to develop any story of of shortage during a period of abundance.
The average person consumes an extra 17,500 calories during the holiday period causing a 5-7 lb weight gain. That is science. Actually most people know that science even if they don't understand the process.
Does that change their behavior? NO!. Same thing every year.
It will be easier to explain peak oil when there are gas lines or gas prices are going up every week: week after week after week!
Do stories of the need to curtail calories during the holidays work? No.
Sigh! I am susceptible too, and I am a scientist!
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ccording to the American Council on Exercise, that’s what it will take for a 160 lb. person to burn off the calories consumed in a typical Thanksgiving dinner.
The average Thanksgiving meal — turkey, stuffing, cranberries, mashed potatoes, candied sweet potatoes, gravy, butter, rolls, salad, vegetables, pie, whipped cream and various beverages — is loaded with 3,000 calories. If you add the fact that most people also snack before and after the meal, the total zooms to 4,500-5,000 calories.
Besides calories alone, Thanksgiving dinner can include up to 200 grams of fat, the equivalent of six Big Macs, three pans of brownies or four sticks of butter.
But it’s not just about Turkey Day. The tendency to overeat stretches over the entire holiday season between Thanksgiving and New Year's. The average person consumes an extra 17,500 calories during this time, an amount that creates a five to seven pound weight gain if not burned off by exercise.
The average person consumes an extra 17,500 calories during the holiday period causing a 5-7 lb weight gain. That is science. Actually most people know that science even if they don't understand the process.
Does that change their behavior? NO!. Same thing every year.
It will be easier to explain peak oil when there are gas lines or gas prices are going up every week: week after week after week!
Do stories of the need to curtail calories during the holidays work? No.
Sigh! I am susceptible too, and I am a scientist!
http://www.dailyvanguard.com/vnews/disp ... 4331f5287d
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ccording to the American Council on Exercise, that’s what it will take for a 160 lb. person to burn off the calories consumed in a typical Thanksgiving dinner.
The average Thanksgiving meal — turkey, stuffing, cranberries, mashed potatoes, candied sweet potatoes, gravy, butter, rolls, salad, vegetables, pie, whipped cream and various beverages — is loaded with 3,000 calories. If you add the fact that most people also snack before and after the meal, the total zooms to 4,500-5,000 calories.
Besides calories alone, Thanksgiving dinner can include up to 200 grams of fat, the equivalent of six Big Macs, three pans of brownies or four sticks of butter.
But it’s not just about Turkey Day. The tendency to overeat stretches over the entire holiday season between Thanksgiving and New Year's. The average person consumes an extra 17,500 calories during this time, an amount that creates a five to seven pound weight gain if not burned off by exercise.
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Re: Peak Oil Risks Losing Credibility Because of Pol. Agenda
by The_Toecutter » Thu 01 Dec 2005, 17:57:29
Consuming too much oil is the only reason peak oil as a result of geology is the problem it is.
Too much consumption of oil is the root problem. If we weren't reliant upon it, we wouldn't have to worry.
However, consumption of oil IS at its heart political. Maximizing economic growth and corporate profits virtually demands a high amount of oil consumption.
Too much consumption of oil is the root problem. If we weren't reliant upon it, we wouldn't have to worry.
However, consumption of oil IS at its heart political. Maximizing economic growth and corporate profits virtually demands a high amount of oil consumption.
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Re: Peak Oil Risks Losing Credibility Because of Pol. Agenda
by oowolf » Thu 01 Dec 2005, 18:13:18
Poilitical agendas risk losing credibility because of Peak Oil.
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Re: Peak Oil Risks Losing Credibility Because of Pol. Agenda
by GreyZone » Thu 01 Dec 2005, 19:06:57
There the human species stands, right smack in the middle of the railroad tracks with a high speed, fully loaded train rapidly bearing down upon it. But rather than move, the human species decides to argue with itself about whether the oncoming train is "credible" or not based on which parts of its collective brain have accepted the train's movement.
Meanwhile, the train continues down the tracks not giving one damned whit whether we politicize the topic or not.
Meanwhile, the train continues down the tracks not giving one damned whit whether we politicize the topic or not.
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Re: Peak Oil Risks Losing Credibility Because of Pol. Agenda
by MonteQuest » Thu 01 Dec 2005, 23:10:20
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'C')onsuming too much oil is the only reason peak oil as a result of geology is the problem it is.
Too much consumption of oil is the root problem. If we weren't reliant upon it, we wouldn't have to worry.
Too much consumption of oil is the root problem. If we weren't reliant upon it, we wouldn't have to worry.
Too much consumption? Like if we didn't consume so much we would never reach the peak?
No, the problem is expectations of infinite growth in a finite world coupled with a money system that supports this unsustainable system. The support system exacerbates the problem because it requires continued growth to function.
Designing your entire civilization around one cheap finite energy source is the root of the problem.
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Re: Peak Oil Risks Losing Credibility Because of Pol. Agenda
by threadbear » Thu 01 Dec 2005, 23:36:56
Maybe someone could explain to me where this center is supposed to be? I'm a democratic socialist from Canada, so the center for me is going to fall somewhere other than where it would fall for a right wing republican pro-fascist. It's all relative. I don't know about political agendas, but political opinions of all kinds end up here. The ones I suspect have an actual agenda are the ones who try to limit the conversation, debate.
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Re: Peak Oil Risks Losing Credibility Because of Pol. Agenda
by seldom_seen » Thu 01 Dec 2005, 23:39:21
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GreyZone', 'M')eanwhile, the train continues down the tracks not giving one damned whit whether we politicize the topic or not.
Good train analogy. I've always liked train analogies. I've always like trains. Sure would be nice if we had some about now!
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