[Madpaddy]

I think this talk of Peak Plaice is a bit of a red herring to be honest. It's just fishy. I'm fed up to the gills of this doom Mongering nonsense. It's codology. It makes me very crabby. I'ld prefer to be down the pub having a whale of a time.

Bye,

John West

[holmes]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', 'I') think this talk of Peak Plaice is a bit of a red herring to be honest. It's just fishy. I'm fed up to the gills of this doom Mongering nonsense. It's codology. It makes me very crabby. I'ld prefer to be down the pub having a whale of a time.

Bye,

John West

[Madpaddy]

Anytime Holmes,

Can't smoke in the pubs though, we have a nationwide smoking ban for the last year. Got to stay at home or go outside for a puff.

[holmes]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', 'A')nytime Holmes,

Can't smoke in the pubs though, we have a nationwide smoking ban for the last year. Got to stay at home or go outside for a puff.

[RdSnt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Trindelm', 'P')eak fish now.

[RonMN]

Don't you guys know that fish are ABIOTIC? There are billions and trillions of fish at the center of the earth just waiting to be released back into the ocean where they can be processed into fish sticks...Mrs. Paul told me so!

[holmes]

The Humanoids are abiotic! LOL. Yep we are detached pile o biomass for sure. One big irresponsible lump o shit. Has any one noticed personal responsibility is almost non existent? That is one big reason why it gonna be Sklustrfk! LOL. Its gonna be a soft landing. these mofos cant even take responsibility for wiping their asses. My ass is dirty. that toilet paper company did it! Those liberals. Those neocons!
Goodbye and goodluck.

[Antimatter]

Looks kinda familiar

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', 'I') went down to the bay recently for an afternoon of recreational fishing off the pier. I was there for several hours, along with about a dozen other people, just fishing with rods for the pleasure of it, not overly concerned with trying to bring home a large catch (which is difficult these days anyway). At one point a couple of Asian men came down with a large net set-up, and proceeded to cast and re-cast off the pier, each time bringing up a considerable number of small fish. What really shit me was that these men were keeping EVERYTHING they caught with the net. From useless little baitfish to undersized juvenile eating fish, these guys would put everything they brought up into their buckets and then recast. It was disgusting to watch. Not only is it completely illegal, but also it’s devastating to the local environment. And this is just a bunch of recreational fishermen. I hate to think of the damage commercial deep-see netting is doing.

Anyway, it just goes to show the mentality of some people. “Stuff the environment and everyone else, I’m taking as much as I can get”. It’s sickening.

[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Andrew_S', 'T')rawlers in Cornwall, England have recently been laid up because of high fuel prices.
BBC article
.....

[grabby]

OK we are all rehashing something that has been proven over and over again. People are basically selfish(Please, no argument)

but you can do the experiment yourself.

And the worst of it is this, as long as there is ONE selfish person, the whole group suffers the same.

You may like to read this post.

I. Topic: Competition, Selfish Behavior, "Tragedy of the Commons" Behavior

II. Purpose: To introduce students the the "tragedy of the commons," or degradation of a natural resource due to selfish behavior in a competitive situation.

III. Description: Demonstration (Materials needed: a large bowl, 20-30 paper clips, pennies, or computer diskettes (or 10 of any other class of similarly sized objects), a watch, and a medium size table or desk.)

This demonstration is based in part on Garrett Hardin's now class paper, "The tragedy of the commons" published in Science in 1968 (Volume 162, pp. 1243-1248) and on Edney's 1979 "Nuts Game, which is an analog to the dilemma Garrett described (see J. J. Edney, The nuts game: A concise commons dilemma analog in Environmental Psychology and Nonverbal Behavior, Volume 3, pp. 252-254.)

Basically, the tragedy of the commons occurs when people have equal access to shared resources (such as land). Each member of the group then acts to maximize his or her "investment" using that resource, which results in the degradation of the resource. The cause: each person acts in his or her self-interest, overlooking the fact that overuse of a resource will in the end may destroy it.

IV. Procedure:

1. Ask 4 volunteers to come to the front of the class. Have them stand around a medium size table so that they are facing the other class members.

2. On the table place a large bowl. In the bowl place 10 of anything--paper clips, pennies, computer diskettes, or any other similarly sized class of objects.

3. Explain aloud to the volunteers, so the other members of the class can hear, that the game they are about to play has only 2 rules.

Rule #1: The number of objects (whatever they may be) left in the bowl at the end of every 10 seconds will double.

Rule #2: The object of the game is to acquire as many objects in the bowl as possible.

4. Ask the volunteers if they understand the rule (they almost always do). Tell them the game will begin when you say go.

5. Say "GO!"

6. Monitor your watch carefully. When 10 seconds are up, stop the game and double the number of objects that are still in the bowl. If objects remain in the bowl, continue to play the game for several more rounds and pay careful attention to the strategy used by the volunteers to play the game. (You may ask students to explain their strategy, which may turn out to be a potential way to prevent the tragedy of the commons from occurring.)

However, chances are that there will be no objects left in the bowl. That is, as soon as you said, "GO," each volunteer dove his or her hands into the bowl attempting to get as many objects as possible before the other volunteers did (i.e., competitive behavior), causing the game to end prematurely. The volunteers are quick to remember Rule #2 but forget almost completely about Rule #1.

In this game, the objects represent some renewable resource, such as land or trees. The key to being renewable, of course, is that there must be something to renew. But because the students acquired all of the objects in the bowl, there was nothing left to renew, which models Hardin's point very nicely.


Wasn't that interesting?

credit to this site.
http://www.abacon.com/psychsite/tool_social.html

[Pfish]

It might be useful to lump fishing into two different categories. Commercial and Recreational. I am a recreational fisherman here in So Cal. Going offshore and catching yellow fin tuna, dorado and yellowtail is a lot of fun--BTW, most of us venture into Mexican waters on these trips. What happens is we will be out fishing and a seiner will pull up and chase us off the grounds and wrap a whole school of fish (and porpoise) in about 20 minutes. Set after set. Fish after fish. Two years ago was a banner year for albacore off of SD--bout/around 85,000 were caught. The depressing part is 2 seiners on one trip will catch that much. The point is, we should get rid of all the fricking commercial fishermen for a period of 5 years and let the stocks replenish. All of the pelagics come back quick if you take the commercail pressure off of them. A sadder story is what I witnessed down in Magdelena Bay last Oct. I saw two boats pull up and unload several thousand tons of Saradines for packaging. Where was it going? To the US and Mex to be turned into a protein meel for cows. Start messing with the lower end of the food chain and things go down hill fast.

[Seadragon]

protein for cattle...depressing.