[Lokutus]

I've been reading www.anthropik.com for a while now.

It's written by some pretty smart and well-educated kids who have jumped to some pretty extreme conclusions. I think they are all 25 or under. They have convinced themselves that PO will trigger a very fast collapse, enormous die-off, and that the remaining survivors will be living as hunter/gatherers by 2020 or 2030.

Anyone else read this site?

You can't convince these kids that they could be wrong.

[azreal60]

Even better, i found the forums for Ishmael fans off of that website.

Ishcon.org

I quote daniel quinn on this site alot, and his three Ishmael books i consider probably the best books i have ever read. Bar none.

[Lokutus]

The anthropik crew are hard core Quinn fanatics but a splinter group from the ishcon movement.

I like the site because it provides a good intro to anthropology for those who didn't study it. But you just can't convince them collapse of civilizations normally takes at least a 100 years and just 10.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'Y')ou can't convince these kids that they could be wrong.

[Lokutus]

I'm being open-minded as possible. I take PO seriously and am making my preparations. But I just find that a quick collapse with everyone reverting to a cavemen life by 2030 is a tad extreme.

Read Tainter, Diamond, et all, and they will show you that civilizations don't collapse over night.

[BAM]

99.99999% of people under 25 couldn't find their arse with both hands.

[clv101]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'R')ead Tainter, Diamond, et all, and they will show you that civilizations don't collapse over night.

[Lokutus]

Well, people under 25 certainly have an assurance that their beliefs and opinions are beyond refute. Too bad we lose this supreme confidence after 35.

[BAM]

It's called life experience

As that old saying goes " the older you get the less you know"

[shakespear1]

Read the "Fourth Turning" Strauss, and you may get some interesing clues how history chuggs along.

[killJOY]

I don't dismiss the idea of die-off out of hand, but the Anthropik folks treat it as a foregone conclusion.

[Doly]

I blame hardcore doomers for this.

Did I ever say that punk is going to look like a picnic compared to the teenagers of the peak oil generation? These guys are just the early waves of the future generation. When most teenagers are like this and some choose to burn any kind of high technology just for the hell of it, a few hardcore doomers are going to seriously regret a few things...

[anthem]

Suggesting Daniel Quinn's books as some of the best fiction ever written is simply idiotic. His writing is poor and his ideas are nothing innovative. His philosophy and conclusions are unsupported by anthopological data. I cannot imagine anyone but teenagers being taken in by such vapid material. But even that, I suppose, illustrates the utter failure of compulsory government education. Does anyone read the classics anymore?

[Lokutus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('anthem', ' ')His philosophy and conclusions are unsupported by anthopological data.

[anthem]

A few problems with Quinn's philosophy:

The mistaken idea that amount of wealth in the world is fixed.

The insulting assumption that nearly all human beings are idiots.

The entirely unsupported claim that agriculture is the root of all evil.

The absurd notion that no other organisms compete in the environment the way humans do.

Hey, if you think that we'd all be better off before we discovered fire, be my guest and go back to that style of living. Humans would never have spread across the globe if things were so hunky-dory in the little tribes in the middle of Africa. Of course, everyone reading this would not have even existed if not for innovation of humans. Quinn is a misanthrop who seems to suggest that he'd rather the entire human population would subjugate itself to nature. I don't think he's taken that step himself yet, so when he moves to his lean-to in the jungle and starts eating only plant material, I might consider him intellectually honest.

[Lokutus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('anthem', 'A') few problems with Quinn's philosophy:

The mistaken idea that amount of wealth in the world is fixed.

The insulting assumption that nearly all human beings are idiots.

The entirely unsupported claim that agriculture is the root of all evil.

The absurd notion that no other organisms compete in the environment the way humans do.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'R')ead Tainter, Diamond, et all, and they will show you that civilizations don't collapse over night.