[killJOY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Neocon ship is going down and its taking America with it. It might take us all down with it. The writing is on the wall for all the world to see: IT'S OVER.

[NTBKtrader]

I think that Indians need to stop worshipping cows and start thinking about eating them.

http://bbq.about.com/od/steakrecipes/

[seahorse]

Killjoy, NTB just made a classic ad hominem attack right out of the neocon/nazi playbook. Neocons/nazis never address the merits of what is being said, they make personal attacks instead - their only appeal is to the cultural hatred of the ignorant masses. Instead of addressing the merits of the article you posted, NTB attacked the culture of India. Notice NTB didn't address address the merits of what was said, instead, NTB says that India needs to start eating cows, not worshipping them.

India's economy is growing faster than America's. America is losing jobs to India. India is making friends in the world, America isn't. Maybe the cows have more power than NTB's god, certainly the cows have more power than whatever God America has been praying to recently. Maybe, Americans need to start worshipping cows and stop eating them. It takes too much fuel to keep the American cattle industry going. If we quit eating cows, maybe we could save enough fuel to justify getting out of Iraq.

[drew]

Ingmar Lee sure sounds like an Indian name doesn't it?? Like Guptal, Danesh, or Vijay, sounds Danish.

Perhaps Ingmar is a westerner-or an Indian's nom de plume....

Anyways, a pretty extreme attack on some of the many nasty excesses of American foreign policy-cows have little to do with its substance.

I've got to say though, I like beef, so I clicked on Nbk's link-if you like steak you should too.



Drew

[NTBKtrader]

Seahorse: it's called humor. relaxxx I just don't feel like jumping on the hate America bandwagon right now especially by some ragamuffin author from a culture that worships cows, practices one of the worst racial segregation programs called the caste system, and treats goats better than women.

But lets get serious, lets start with the FIRST paragraph. Even though the entire article was shitty. It says the Bush administration is "doomed". Which is far from the truth, they are still in power and have plenty of backing. Even Jeb Bush is being touted as the next prez. It says this administration is "the most brutal organized terror force ever". Which is THE DUMBEST thing I have heard in a long time. Anyone who knows a lickspittle of history knows that there a hundreds of far more brutal administrations than this one.... namely Ghengis Khan, Stalin, Hitler, and even Indian dictators were far far worse. Maybe if the guy had started the article off with far less moronic rhetoric it might get more play.

Do you disagree?

[NTBKtrader]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('drew', 'I')ngmar Lee sure sounds like an Indian name doesn't it?? Like Guptal, Danesh, or Vijay, sounds Danish.

Perhaps Ingmar is a westerner-or an Indian's nom de plume....

[Colorado-Valley]

Although I hate them and what they are doing, I'm not sure the Neocons are losing Iraq.

Clearly they are using Shiite (and probably Iranian) death squads to terrorize and torture the Sunni minority. As long as the American and British people are willing to fund the occasional destruction of Iraqi cities and the creation of Shiite militias like the Wolf Brigade, it's possible Iraq will eventually be tamed into a compliant oil colony and military base.

It just might take 10 to 20 years. But if you can fund the death squads, they can pull out some troops for public relations purposes and garrison the rest in the permanent bases they're building.

[3rensho]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NTBKtrader', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('drew', 'I')ngmar Lee sure sounds like an Indian name doesn't it?? Like Guptal, Danesh, or Vijay, sounds Danish.

Perhaps Ingmar is a westerner-or an Indian's nom de plume....

[EnergySpin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('drew', 'I')ngmar Lee sure sounds like an Indian name doesn't it?? Like Guptal, Danesh, or Vijay, sounds Danish.

Perhaps Ingmar is a westerner-or an Indian's nom de plume....

[o2ny]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Colorado-Valley', 'A')lthough I hate them and what they are doing, I'm not sure the Neocons are losing Iraq.

Clearly they are using Shiite (and probably Iranian) death squads to terrorize and torture the Sunni minority. As long as the American and British people are willing to fund the occasional destruction of Iraqi cities and the creation of Shiite militias like the Wolf Brigade, it's possible Iraq will eventually be tamed into a compliant oil colony and military base.

It just might take 10 to 20 years. But if you can fund the death squads, they can pull out some troops for public relations purposes and garrison the rest in the permanent bases they're building.

[NTBKtrader]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Or he could, you know, be a foreigner working on stories in India. I hear they let foreign journalists report from foreign locations sometimes.

[BabyPeanut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('INGMAR LEE', 'r')educed to a narrowing, desperate focus: how to declare victory and cut-and-run

[seahorse]

NTB,

I think Americans ought to read articles like this b/c much of the world shares the same sentiment - and this puts America in a bind.

In addition, I do think the article is a fair characterization of where things stand. Is Bush the biggest terrorist in history? No, but I don't really think the author is trying to say who was the worse. He's only driving home the point that Bush is the worse because we are dealing with him now. No one's worried about Kahn or Hitler, they're both dead. What we do have to worry about is the guy running the show right now, and that's Bush, who believes in "preemptive warfare." That's the same guy that refuses to endorse the Senate's bill to ban torture. Give me a break. For you to make the point that Jeb Bush may make a run for president only worries me more. Jeb Bush is a card carrying member of the Project for a New American Century (check their website). This only means that this neocon bs will continue.

You say there is backing for this president. I don't think so, and neither do the American polls. His poll ratings are as low or almost as low as any previous U.S. president. The exception may be Nixon, but even Nixon had a 33% approval rating right before abdicating office. Bush is now about 37%. At any rate, when we all start researching to find out who may have been lower than Bush, it means he doesn't have a lot of backing. I'm not sure how proud he should be that his approval rating is low enough to be compared with Nixon's.

It is also correct that a majority of Americans are now against the war. Unfortunately, the neocons don't care. Instead of listening to Senator Mertha (hope I spelled that right) the Neocons attack him. Senator Mertha is a decorated combat Marine, yet the neocons that never served in the military accuse him of being a cut and run liberal. Give me a break.

Add onto this that the U.S. is massively in debt. I'm in the camp that those debts are not sustainable. Even Senator McCain said our present defense spending is not sustainable, and no one is willing to tackle the other issues like Social Security, Medicaid, etc. Add to this fiscal glutton our gluttony for eating steaks. Last I remember, but am too lazy to look up right now, the U.S. slaughters about 600,000 cows per week (McDonalds alone accounts for 5,000 per day). In the end, we must all atone for our sins, no party last forever.

Back to Bush, his reckless go it alone foriegn policy has destroyed our influence abroad. Bush's regretfull preemptive policies have led to the development of the "BRIC" alliance (Brazil, Russia, India, China) to oppose us politically and militarily in the region (Russians and Chinese and Russians and Indians holding first ever joint military exercises this year). Further, Bush's inept policies have created empowered our own arch rival in the Middle East - Iran. By taking out Sadam, we took out the only balance to the Iranians in the region. Our unfortunate war has left the Iranians as the biggest military, economic power in the region. This is unnerving, since we have tried to contain the Iranian "Mullahs" for the last 30 years. Now, with an unstable Iraq, the Iranians are filling the void of power. They are unchecked.

So, I think the article is a fair characterization of where things are and where they are going and how a billion cow worshippers, who are taking our jobs while GM employs are being laid off, see us. I'm not an American basher, but the present course of things cannot be defended any longer. Its leading to our demise. Those that are patriotic should stand up and say the king is wearing no clothes.

[cube]

The article was NOT well written. There was a shortage of hard arguments and an excess of "colorful" words. I do agree that the US military is not as high and mighty as the Fox News channel or whatever "neo-conned" news media would like us to believe.

As far as "effectiveness" goes the US military sucks, relatively speaking. The Mongols and the Romans went up against opponents that enjoyed both numerical and financial superiority. However at the end of the day it was superior skill, discipline, and tactics that won the day. Can the US military do that? HA HA! No offense to anyone in uniform but sorry you are NOT the best of the best that was ever created.

[Specop_007]

I read about 3 paragraphs. Then I quit.
Its a really poorly written article, and at best comedy. At worst, bad fiction.

Where do you guys dig this propoganda and crap up at??

Let me ask you, do you guy honestly believe some of the shit you post??

[EnergySpin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'I') read about 3 paragraphs. Then I quit.
Its a really poorly written article, and at best comedy. At worst, bad fiction.

Where do you guys dig this propoganda and crap up at??

Let me ask you, do you guy honestly believe some of the shit you post??

[seahorse]

Specop, I believe what I post. Bush's poll numbers suck, he doesn't support the Senate Ban on torture, Jeb Bush is a member of the PNAC, the U.S. has a serious lack of support from other countries, which has culminated in the creation and strengthening of alliances opposed to the U.S., such as the BRIC alliance.

[NTBKtrader]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'S')pecop, I believe what I post. Bush's poll numbers suck, he doesn't support the Senate Ban on torture, Jeb Bush is a member of the PNAC, the U.S. has a serious lack of support from other countries, which has culminated in the creation and strengthening of alliances opposed to the U.S., such as the BRIC alliance.

[seahorse]

NTB,

Specop asked if anyone (me being one of them) really believed what we were posting. I answered that I did. No one asked you if you cared. You are deaf, there's no doubt about it, in more ways than one. On that we agree.

[killJOY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')o describe Iraq as the most foolish war of the last 2,014 years is a sweeping statement, but the writer is well qualified to know.

He is Martin van Creveld, a professor at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem and one of the world's foremost military historians. Several of his books have influenced modern military theory and he is the only non-American author on the US Army's list of required reading for officers.