[Wildwell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', ' ')I know I sound critical of the US, I don’t mean to be, but I find it puzzling that people seemed to have been conditioned that conservation is a bad thing.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', ' ')So the jobs have just been re-located over a period of 50 year or more and REDUCED.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', ' ')Who said anything about reduced sales?

[Wildwell]

Invention, Innovation, substitution and subsidy in some cases.

[Wildwell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', ' ')Who said anything about reduced sales?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', ' ')Who said anything about reduced sales?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', ' ')Who said anything about reduced sales?

[Wildwell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', ' ')Who said anything about reduced sales?

[Wildwell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '1') out of every 6 jobs is tied to the auto industry.

People drive their cars to go consume or to earn the money to go consume.

Drive less=less consumption, not only of gas and oil, but fast food, convenience marts, movies, motels, tires, batteries, auto parts, car washes, and all manner of impulse buying along the strip malls that litter America.

To conserve gasoline means conserving everything else.

Connect the dots.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', ' ')You can't increase consumption with a declining energy source, you can only conserve or use an alternative one. Why won't you acknowledge this?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '1') out of every 6 jobs is tied to the auto industry.

People drive their cars to go consume or to earn the money to go consume.

Drive less=less consumption, not only of gas and oil, but fast food, convenience marts, movies, motels, tires, batteries, auto parts, car washes, and all manner of impulse buying along the strip malls that litter America.

To conserve gasoline means conserving everything else.

Connect the dots.

[Wildwell]

I tell you what, not conserving will cost jobs...

Look at GM, it bet its market on huge, horribly under powered and inefficient cars and SUVs, less people are buying and sales are all going to John Denver land.

There is no evidence that says conserving will cost jobs, and none that says in rising price scenario consumption increases, it goes against all logic.

Prove to us all that you know what you are taking about and prove otherwise.

[Wildwell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')
Hopeless case, right folks?

Who absorbs the loss in revenue?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', 'T')here is no evidence that says conserving will cost jobs, and none that says in rising price scenario consumption increases, it goes against all logic.

Prove to us all that you know what you are taking about and prove otherwise.

[Wildwell]

Conservation is only reduced sales in one resource, which means you have money to spend on another...it doesn't cost jobs. Reduced oil sales means certain states get less money yep.

Show us the facts rather than telling the world you have written a thread a told us it's that way.

PS Have you got rid of that car yet?

I'm proud to support Microsoft, Apple, Adobe and not Arab oil..

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', 'C')onservation is only reduced sales in one resource, which means you have money to spend on another...it doesn't cost jobs. Reduced oil sales means certain states get less money yep.

Show us the facts rather than telling the world you have written a thread a told us it's that way.

PS Have you got rid of that car yet?

I'm proud to support Microsoft, Apple, Adobe and not Arab oil..

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', 'C')onservation is only reduced sales in one resource, which means you have money to spend on another...it doesn't cost jobs.

[Wildwell]

But will it be used up again, especially after an oil peak..? It depends and unlikely...

It doesn't take a genius to work out that spending money on a $25k SUV and running it, is a lot more energy intensive than spending money on software, computers, bus tickets, haircuts, or buying yourself a wind turbine...

reduced sales of WHAT will have an effect throughout the economy??

[Wildwell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', 'C')onservation is only reduced sales in one resource, which means you have money to spend on another...it doesn't cost jobs. Reduced oil sales means certain states get less money yep.

Show us the facts rather than telling the world you have written a thread a told us it's that way.

PS Have you got rid of that car yet?

I'm proud to support Microsoft, Apple, Adobe and not Arab oil..

[Colorado-Valley]

Raising rabbits in the backyard?

(Allusion to a Michael Moore's documentary about Flint, Michigan, after GM sent its Flint factories to Mexico.)