[Frank]

{split from Alternatives ready? by MQ}
My gut reaction is that we could easily recover from a 2% decline here in the US (assuming 2% less is available to us than in past years). Actually, it'd be about 5% less, assuming 3% historical growth in consumption that'd no longer be available. A little less driving, more programmable thermostats, ongoing switchover to more efficient vehicles, etc. would take care of it.

Of course, this wouldn't last very long! 2% rate will increase and unless every other country in the world did the same, it'll start getting nasty after a couple of years... not to mention the disparity between rich and poor.

[Wildwell]

Conservation is another useful tool for handling decline.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', 'C')onservation is another useful tool for handling decline.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', 'C')onservation is another useful tool for handling decline.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Frank', 'M')y gut reaction is that we could easily recover from a 2% decline here in the US (assuming 2% less is available to us than in past years). Actually, it'd be about 5% less, assuming 3% historical growth in consumption that'd no longer be available. A little less driving, more programmable thermostats, ongoing switchover to more efficient vehicles, etc. would take care of it.

Of course, this wouldn't last very long! 2% rate will increase and unless every other country in the world did the same, it'll start getting nasty after a couple of years... not to mention the disparity between rich and poor.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', 'C')onservation is another useful tool for handling decline.

[killJOY]

I can easily take it.

I don't know about everyone else.

[Wildwell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', 'C')onservation is another useful tool for handling decline.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', 'C')onservation is another useful tool for handling decline.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', 'C')onservation is another useful tool for handling decline.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', ' ')Can the workforce be redistributed quickly, and by whom? Remember I'm talking about if peak is this year or in the next year, not years out with people planning ahead.

[killJOY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('someone', 'h')aving 80mpg cars instead of 15mpg doesn't take anyone's jobs, apart from the companies behind the times and re-located to companies producing the more efficient cars. True, the oil companies might sell less oil, but then the price is higher and the workforce is redistributed to renewable energy etc.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', ' ')Can the workforce be redistributed quickly, and by whom? Remember I'm talking about if peak is this year or in the next year, not years out with people planning ahead.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', 'T')here's no scenario where the entire workforce needs to redistributed, it happens over time and has happened in the past. The largest redistribution would be a car company going bust (30,000 job losses at GM the other day) or an airline going bust, otherwise you are looking at a 30 year transition.

[Ludi]

What alternative energy jobs are those GM workers being redistributed to?

[MonteQuest]

1 out of every 6 jobs is tied to the auto industry.

People drive their cars to go consume or to earn the money to go consume.

Drive less=less consumption, not only of gas and oil, but fast food, convenience marts, movies, motels, tires, batteries, auto parts, car washes, and all manner of impulse buying along the strip malls that litter America.

To conserve gasoline means conserving everything else.

Connect the dots.

[Wildwell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')he US then, since it's where I live.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', ' ')Can the workforce be redistributed quickly, and by whom? Remember I'm talking about if peak is this year or in the next year, not years out with people planning ahead.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', ' ')I know I sound critical of the US, I don’t mean to be, but I find it puzzling that people seemed to have been conditioned that conservation is a bad thing.

[Wildwell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', 'T')here's no scenario where the entire workforce needs to redistributed, it happens over time and has happened in the past. The largest redistribution would be a car company going bust (30,000 job losses at GM the other day) or an airline going bust, otherwise you are looking at a 30 year transition.