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PO awareness can be a good thing

Unread postby FairMaiden » Fri 25 Nov 2005, 16:36:30

I just got back from the mall. I probably need a new comforter, some new jeans and new dress shoes. But I didn't buy any of it. I looked at all the stuff in the mall and thought about how much it costs us as a society to get it there. I glued my old dress shoes and sewed up my old comforter.

My fiance and I have not turned on our heat yet this year. I'm sitting here, perfectly fine in a sweater (behind double glazed windows) - and we live in Canada ;-)

I'm not changing my life dramatically but I'm learning about what is important and what isn't. I'm also saving ALOT of money in the process. Thats always a good thing (unless you are talking about the economy, LOL)
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Re: PO awareness can be a good thing

Unread postby TorrKing » Fri 25 Nov 2005, 17:00:04

Investing all that saved money on a remote hunting or farming location (and store enough gas to get there) may be a good investment. If anarchy breaks loose, the more remote the better!

Moderation always rewards us. If we moderated ourselves in the first place, maybe we wouldn't be where we are today. I think humanity need this lesson once in a while, but we are so fortunate that we see it in advance.

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Re: PO awareness can be a good thing

Unread postby blukatzen » Fri 25 Nov 2005, 17:55:47

Hi Fairmaiden

It is good that you have learned to think outside of excess consumerism and learned to repair or refurbish what you could salvage from what you do own already.
Our parents and grandparents did that during the depression (I am in my mid-40's). People do not consume and use up things for the home much like you think they do, and our ancestors made do by using even scraps to make rag rugs, etc. Look at what the Amish have accomplished, all without electricity to boot.
There were very few items around most folks' homes in the early parts of last century that weren't for a particular use. Back then, homes were much smaller, with smaller closets, storage space, rooms, etc. Even the furniture was scaled smaller, as people only had one or two good suits "for Sunday or special", and women had only a few good dresses, and then a few housedresses.
I myself was introduced to thrift store shopping last spring by a girlfriend from our local peakoil group, and I have seen quite a bit of things that were given away, still with tags on them! Of course, many things are given away from people that pass on as well..as I can tell by the age or style of the things given away, that this must have been so. I had recently had the responsibility of settling the estates of 2 elderly relatives with no children that passed on, and as they say..you can't take it with you. If you DO need something, and if it does not have to be brand-new, why not shop at a thrift store and save on the energy costs it makes to make something brand new. Some of the old things were made VERY well. There is something also called "freecycle" that is where people that have no use/outgrown something can pass it along. You have to start out by giving something away, but it slows down the piles at the trash heaps at the garbage dumps.
Sometimes, for a comforter, a duvet sewn from nice old sheets..this time of year, flannel would be wonderful! When they are found at the thrift store for a dollar or two, they are so broken in and cozy! Just a little thread and you have a comforter cover to change the look/color scheme.

If you live with this mindset, you do not have to be a slave to taking care of your things, and you will live and leave a much lighter footprint on this earth.
Good luck on your upcoming wedding! A question though, how will you choose to carry this philosophy over to your wedding preperations?
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Re: PO awareness can be a good thing

Unread postby pea-jay » Fri 25 Nov 2005, 18:46:07

The best thing about PO awareness is not making life changing decisions that will fly back in our faces in a few years.

Decisions NOT made:
Moving to Las Vegas, Los Angeles, or New York
Purchasing an SUV
Continuing with a career in Computer Technology
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Re: PO awareness can be a good thing

Unread postby AmericanEmpire » Fri 25 Nov 2005, 19:51:17

Or getting a mortgage at the top of the housing bubble for a mansion in suburbia. Wish I had the money to do that cuase I would put it into a farm and alternative energy instead. :lol:
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Re: PO awareness can be a good thing

Unread postby FairMaiden » Fri 25 Nov 2005, 23:48:52

The wedding...yes. We are holding it at a resort so it'll mean alot of travel for our guests - but we still need to enjoy life! We CAN get together now so a wedding is a great reason. There will be no decorates tho - and I'm balking on buying a dress for just one day (unless I can find one for really cheap). No flowers. I know about freecycle and use it frequently. I'll ask on there if anyone has fake plastic flowers or borrow them.

My rich aunt wants to buy me a $1000 dolphin fountain for the reception hall - I'm telling her thats outrageous! I'm trying to find a polite way to ask her for cash instead. :roll:
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Re: PO awareness can be a good thing

Unread postby pea-jay » Sat 26 Nov 2005, 02:13:33

It's possible to do a decent wedding while on a tight budget

We made our own professional looking invitations (very time consuming) but it cost us less than $1 per invite

We shopped around for wedding dress and tux prices

We kept it small and held it at an out-of the way banquet facility
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Re: PO awareness can be a good thing

Unread postby pea-jay » Sat 26 Nov 2005, 02:23:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AmericanEmpire', 'O')r getting a mortgage at the top of the housing bubble for a mansion in suburbia. Wish I had the money to do that cuase I would put it into a farm and alternative energy instead. :lol:


Amen to that.

Had I known what the real estate market would have done, I'd would have really fought harder to buy that vintage 110K cottage in San Diego in 2000. Could have fixed it up real nice, added an extra bedroom and sold it for 400-500k this year.

$200-300K would have gone a long way to purchasing a sustainable piece of property.
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Re: PO awareness can be a good thing

Unread postby CarlinsDarlin » Sat 26 Nov 2005, 07:41:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'o')ur ancestors made do by using even scraps to make rag rugs, etc.


I'm in the middle of making a rag rug right now :-D . Actually, I'm making a quilt out of worn out blue jeans and other denim I can find, and all the seams I cut out of the denim are being used to make the rug. It's turning out pretty nicely if I do say so myself (though so far it's only the size of a table placemat ) :).

We do most of the things mentioned - recycle, freecycle, and more. Anytime I go to purchase anything, the first thing I ask myself is if it's a "want" or a "need." Most of the time, if it's a want, it gets passed over. There's no reason to keep buying more stuff - I have no place to keep it anyway. We have a small house, and intend to keep it that way. Living simply is far less stressful.
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Re: PO awareness can be a good thing

Unread postby ubercynicmeister » Sat 26 Nov 2005, 19:31:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FairMaiden', 'I') just got back from the mall. I probably need a new comforter, some new jeans and new dress shoes. But I didn't buy any of it. I looked at all the stuff in the mall and thought about how much it costs us as a society to get it there. I glued my old dress shoes and sewed up my old comforter.

My fiance and I have not turned on our heat yet this year. I'm sitting here, perfectly fine in a sweater (behind double glazed windows) - and we live in Canada ;-)

I'm not changing my life dramatically but I'm learning about what is important and what isn't. I'm also saving ALOT of money in the process. Thats always a good thing (unless you are talking about the economy, LOL)


LOL, Hi Fairmaiden. i'll wish you the best for your happy day, and I hope your Hubby To be is allowing you your "eccentricities" by doing something that must appear very odd to everyone else's eyes: NOT being a clueless consumer.

One thing I would suggest you acquire: a wood-stove, which is what i'm going to do, as soon as I can. Therte's myriad ways of making the damn thing more efficient.
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