[jrob8503]

I haven't lived what you would call an adventurous life. My family really isn't into the idea of vacationing in another country. We have never had the money for it either. I live in Chicago and have never been west of the Mississippi or east of the Atlantic. I have, however, been to Orlando about nine times .

I had put serious thought into joining the Peace Corps. But, with the PO unpleasantness that could occur rather soon, that doesn't seem like a short-term option. I might get the opportunity to go to Italy for several weeks. My uncle has family over there. They usually stay at their home. I'm really jazzed about that possibility, but it is still an uncertainty. I was also thinking about a summer study abroad program. I took a light load my freshman year, and would rather make up credits somewhere else. Those, however, can be quite expensive, and money is a substantial issue.

I don't know if global travel will be possible post peak. If it is, I'd rather get some in without the risk of contracting scurvy. What's the cheapest way to travel the world while maintaining at least decent health and safety?*


*aside from the military, smartass

[jrob8503]

withholding Canada of course

[Jack]

Why not look for employment on a cruise ship, perhaps as waitstaff? Or you might wish to google under the name of various countries along with the word "volunteer". I notice that Iceland has a program where you get housing, meals, and access to a car in exchange for doing some volunteer work...surely, other nations have similar programs.

There's the Peace Corps, though that might involve some risk of going to unpleasant areas....

[Aaron]

Peace Corp is majority female... (If that makes any difference)

[nailud]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')eace Corp is majority female... (If that makes any difference)

[gnm]

I highly recommend traveling about the world a bit. Really helps you get perspective. How you go about it is another matter... Never looked into the peace corps.

-G

[big_rc]

PEACE CORPS!!!

I was a Peace Corps volunteer in Mali, West Africa. Best two years of my life and yes it was chock full of lonely female volunteers who needed some company every now and then.

Look dude, yes the world is about to go in the crapper one of these days but try to get as much living in as possible before TSHTF. Don't let fear of the future rule your life. If you want to do the Peace Corps, then do it.
I honestly think the Third World might come through Peak Oil much better than the US because those people used very little oil to begin with. Absolutely miniscule when compared with Americans. Of course, life was much simpler and ALOT slower also.

[backstop]

Jrob

With respect, I think you've been sold a pup over how dangerous other countries are, compared to life in the US.

One rather sad example:

In the year when some barbarous filth siezed the cruise ship "Akilly Lauro" and threw a disabled passenger overboard, a total of 13 Americans were killed by terrorists around the world.

The media gave their deaths such coverage (and made fat profits from doing so) that tourism slumped, endangering several US airlines.

In that same year, over 3,000 Americans were killed by choking on their food . . .

If I were you I'd pick a well accredited charity (with goals that mean more to you than the gov.t directed peace corp ?) and go ahead and volunteer.

regards,

Backstop

[Matrim]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')eace Corp is majority female... (If that makes any difference)

[jrob8503]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ith respect, I think you've been sold a pup over how dangerous other countries are, compared to life in the US.

[skateari]

"Personally I believe we have 10 to 15 years MINIMUM before you see rioting in the streets (if ever). "

kochevnik, you seem like a really educated person, the only part I disagree with you on is how soon it is going to happen. Look at the facts brother, America & the dollar could be in a total slump without the war in Iraq. Without Bush, America could already be in a great depression. He is simply trying to hold onto the american way of life for as long as possible, he knows its going to end, but if we go to war and secure what we can, we can temporarily save the dollar (and America). To tell someone they have 10-15 years minimum is a personal opinion, but to tell someone that its a minimum is outright wrong. Yes, we as the younger generation tend to panic and make unwise decisions when faced with fear. But look at the facts, I suggest reading ( http://www.rense.com/general34/realre.htm ) and the whole thread, here: http://www.peakoil.com/modules.php?name ... pic&t=1545

Look at what could have happened. Gore got in the WH, and he would have let the situation slide right on by past his hands without doing a thing. Bush is a oil man, he knows about peak oil, and its ramifications on America. With Gore, our economy could be in an economic mess. Basically, we don't have much time. We could already be in a situation of hyper-inflation, mass job loss, and very tough times. As the articles said, the 'war in Iraq was a temporary save for the dollar'. Temporary, yes, but now we face much harder times and wars with Iran, Syria, North Korea, China.... the list goes on.

I think its safe to say that us Americans are running short on time. And time is money, time is the key. 10-15 years down the road is a awful long time, however you keep telling people such as I and Jrob that, "man chill, we gots 15 years minimum". Common man, quit being so optimistic. According to what we all know we have either reached the peak or will do so this year. 15 years down the road, come on, thats a long time, and thats a whole lot less oil.

I suggest you do some research on the economic aspects of PO, of the US of A's 'screw you over for resource' policies, I suggest you take a look at how many countries want us to go down so they can use the resources. Many countries want the free ride that we have experienced the last 30 years. Jrob, I say do something as soon as you can, for you cannot tell what will happen in the future, for all we know the time we have now was given to us because of the Iraq war, and make use of it. Plan now while you can, don't make decisions that can bite you in the back later on. Plan, take your time, but don't delay. don't wait 15 years to do anything about it, because by then I doubt there will be anything to do.

[jato]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'm')an chill, we gots 15 years minimum

[skateari]

kochevnik; what exactly do you base your personal opinions on? If you take a minute to research PO in this board it will become apparent to you that this is a BIG PROBLEM and we DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME. I would really like to see where you base this '15 year minimum' from, and I like the addition of the "If at all" statement. Denial, Denial, Denial...

[jato]

skateari, there are people here who are not convinced that PO is a serious problem. They just think we can make adjustments and keep on going and growing.

[skateari]

kochevnik; I have gone along and read nearly all your posts. Your head seems to be in the right place, you seem to know the right facts and know about Bush's war policies. I just don't understand where you get this so called "15 year minimum" from. From all the stuff you state you seem to be along the same lines; that were in some shit. But 15 years? Common be serious. I don't get why you post wise, thought provoking and true posts, and then state such an optimistic view that we have 15 years. If you read what you are posting, and understand what you are reading, it may become obvious that we will be lucky to have 5 years MAX.

I really like your post on the pandora's box, and how hope will drag you down along with neglect. But I do think its quite hopeful that we have such a long time to prepare. Do you not think that alone is "hope"?

I'll lay off you now, i'm sorry if I am coming out bitter or angary in these posts.. Its just when someone is planning for their future, its not at all helpful to post untrue yet powerful posts. If I was less knowledgable about PeakOil, and I got a post from you saying 'chill, wait 15 years and then plan', I would most likely take it to heart and literally chill on the issue. But is that really a wise thing to do? When that time could be spent preparing instead of ignoring the issue? That could be a kids life at stake there..

[jrob8503]

Kochevnik,
Teaching English was another option I had examined. I am currently working on an English degree.

Sorry skat, but I am always going to take the advice of my seniors over the advice of my juniors. Kochevnik knows his stuff and has more experience than you and I combined. In fact, I'm pretty sure he doesn't need me defending him.

[skateari]

Do what you want, its your life

[Guest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'm')an chill, we gots 15 years minimum

[chris-h]

15 years minimum for the whole world no .
But 15 years min for usa maybe.

If you understand how usa was build you will understand why.

There were some indians 400 years ago. What happened to them ?
And what about some black ppl that dissapeared from africa 250 years ago ?

If you think that i am a troll it is within your rights to think so.

However look at it this way.

3000 rich usa citizens was killed in a terrorist attact and look how the usa gov responded.

How much do you think that it will react if ten of millions of usa citizens start dying from hunger ?

I would not like to be living in mexico when peak oil happens.
there is a lot of fertile land there. It might need to be liberated from mexican dictators or whatever.

remember. USA way of living is not negotiable.


Chris.

[skateari]

Its obvious that age is not a measure of knowledge, and by saying we have a 15 year minimum is not either knowledgeable or backed up by proof. Any facts that we read on here clearly point to two things; the USA is on the brink of collapse, any collapse on our part would mean devastation to a lot of the world. In order to keep us from collapse, mainly from economic wars declared by other countries, we will need to protect our interests in other countries and protect the resources themselves. This would amount in massive world wars, ultimately unstablizing the world and the people in it. If you say we have 15 years, that is either hope, or neglect to address the problem. If the signs are not already apparent I don't understand what would be. We are in the war in Iraq, not to help their people, but to sustain ours. And trust me, it wont last for that much longer without invasion of other countries. With the invasion of other countries, I doubt other oil-using countries will stand by and let it happen like it did to Iraq. We are at a tipping point here people, all US citizens need to be aware of our stance in peak oil. We are the most venerable, we use the most oil and need to most to sustain our quality of life. And our quality of life is something that Bush feels is worth fighting for. If you read the links I provided in my post on page 1, maybe you will understand that we are in a very unstable position here, economic collapse is inevitable, but fortunately (or unfortunately, however you look at it) we have a president that is not going to just let it happen. He is going to fight for it, which is already in progress, that may delay this collapse until we cant anymore.. And I feel that its not to far down the road..

The second choice is to just let it happen, we can stand by and let our government collapse in itself, which would happen for many reasons. Countries are now realising the growth of our economy will no be able to sustain itself for that much longer, and that resulted in the creation of the Euro, which offers a oppurunity away from the dollar, an option which lessens their dependency to us. Once this currency is strong enough to support themselves, they will drop the dollar. Dropping the dollar is in reality the WMD that we are all afraid of. For this really would mean the end to America. Once the dollar is taken off the main play-field, America would deffinaltly be in a very, sticky situation.

To understand the US's position on this issue you must understand capitalism in itself. Our economic system is based on infinite growth, growth driven by resources, mainly cheap oil. Without those resources, we don't have growth anymore. Without growth, we have collapse. Stock market crash's, depressions, mass inflation are all results of our economy not being able to keep up the pace with growth. If you can understand capitalism, and how bad it will react in such a crisis like this, then maybe you will not state such untrue facts such as 'we have 15 years minimum'. Because we don't, the US of A could have been in this situation 2 years ago if Bush let it happen. But he didn't, he gave us more time to prepare. And if you want to ignore these facts, and live your life for another 15 years without worry, its your choice - its your life and I don't think I can convince you otherwise. After all, I am young, and well.. thats all that maters isn't it?