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THE Jerome Corsi Thread (merged)

Postby MattSavinar » Wed 16 Nov 2005, 17:01:19

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Jerome Corsi Versus PeakOil.com

Mr. Corsi writes: ". . . one bulletin-board poster commented: "Corsi is pushing his abiotic oil agenda. He keeps repeating the canard that oil comes from dinosaurs. NOBODY BELIEVES THAT!" This prompted a response with a correction and an objection: "I suppose you meant to say 'the canard that oil does NOT come from dinosaurs and ancient flora debris'? That's the reason why we call oil a fossil fuel." Even better yet was this: "Who says that oil came from 'dinosaurs and ancient forests'? What a moron."

There's more from where that came from in the article. I assumme by "bulletin board" he is referring to PeakOil.com. In which case, all I have to say is "lets' get it on!"
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Re: Jerome Corsi Versus PeakOil.com

Postby Hegel » Wed 16 Nov 2005, 17:24:42

His publications are for the birds, therefore rigzone decided to throw his books out of their online shop the other day. Mr. Corsi allegedly is a pre-scientific agent provocateur fabulating fairy-tales from the fringe lunacy, the same way he did when he smeared John Kerry in 2004 with his notorious Speed-boat Vets scheme.

As long as he can't show the world a single oil field that replenishes at least with a identical or even higher rate than it gets depleted, the Peak-Oil theory remains unchallenged!
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Re: Jerome Corsi Versus PeakOil.com

Postby MagnoliaFan » Wed 16 Nov 2005, 17:49:22

I am becoming more acquainted with Mr. Corsi's views on the abiotic oil theory, and I think before we attack his political beliefs, we should have an open mind enough to realize that oil is abiotic.

Even if we accept oil as a "non-renewable resource" as true (which is false, it is produced naturally inside the Earth, and we can increase our proven reserves by investing in technology to dig deep enough to extract this oil), we are no where near "peak oil".

In fact, if it weren't for rampant NIMBYism and the environmentalists, we could invest more in the refining capacity to bring the price of gas at the pumps. The stockpiles of oil are full and the Saudis had to cut production because we had no place to put the excess oil into.

Once we get rid of the bottleneck of the refinery problem, we should get more sensible gasoline prices which in turn will help the economy.
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Re: Jerome Corsi Versus PeakOil.com

Postby dub_scratch » Wed 16 Nov 2005, 17:55:32

I can't beleave this abiotic oil myth has such legs. It is such crackpot nonsense. I guess I should not be surprised because of the political overtones that creep into the debate. Notice how Mr Jerome Corsi dwells and defines those who accept peak oil "theory" as "the left" (never mind the fact that folks like Roscoe Bartlett are firmly in the PO camp). Corsi hates the left and the left likes PO, therefore PO has to be false and abiotic oil must be true. This fraud Corsi does not care of what the reality of the situation is. All that matters is how the world can be anything you want it to be so long as it serves his rotten agenda.

If you, Mr Jerome Corsi, are reading this may I encourage you to keep this idiotic oil campaign going. When the well understood reality becomes undeniable and self evident, political assholes like you will surely be standing lone naked in discredit.
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Re: Jerome Corsi Versus PeakOil.com

Postby EnviroEngr » Wed 16 Nov 2005, 18:33:36

Assumption vindicated: http://peakoil.com/modules.php?name=New ... e&sid=9016

Near the bottom of the page --->
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This article by Jerome Corsi on WND is crap. Corsi is pushing his abiotic oil agenda. He keeps repeating the canard that oil comes from dinosaurs. NO-ONE BELIEVES THAT!


Mr. Corsi picks his bone with none other than bobcousins - waegari rebutting with "I suppose you mean to say 'the canard that oil does NOT come from dinosaurs and ancient flora debris'?

That's the reason why we call oil a fossil fuel;-).
" on http://www.peakoil.com/comment3108-9016-3107-.html

Then he takes up with Keith_McClary on the bottom of http://peakoil.com/modules.php?name=New ... e&sid=8868
with $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jerome R. Corsi', ' ')Even better yet was this: "Who says that oil came from 'dinosaurs and ancient forests'? What a moron."



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Re: Jerome Corsi Versus PeakOil.com

Postby MattSavinar » Wed 16 Nov 2005, 18:40:10

Rigzone fired two editors for publishing Corsi's piece.

http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2005/11/15/32834/429#16

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Re: Jerome Corsi Versus PeakOil.com

Postby Gorm » Wed 16 Nov 2005, 18:50:18

Im a little suprised that people see the abiotic thing as something worth commenting. It is so obvius naive that even debating it makes any participant look stupid. Like trying to have a serius debate against a person that belive that santa claus is for real and is controled by the snowman. No one can participate in sutch debate and then have any credability left.

The same thing goes here, those who think abiotic is reasonebal are beond rescue. Probably more useful to debate with a stone.
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Re: Jerome Corsi Versus PeakOil.com

Postby MattSavinar » Wed 16 Nov 2005, 18:53:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gorm', 'I')m a little suprised that people see the abiotic thing as something worth commenting. It is so obvius naive that even debating it makes any participant look stupid. Like trying to have a serius debate against a person that belive that santa claus is for real and is controled by the snowman. No one can participate in sutch debate and then have any credability left.

The same thing goes here, those who think abiotic is reasonebal are beond rescue. Probably more useful to debate with a stone.


I tend to agree, but what amazes me is the "abiotic oil"/unlimited oil story seems to have legs.

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Re: Jerome Corsi Versus PeakOil.com

Postby killJOY » Wed 16 Nov 2005, 19:04:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')he "abiotic oil"/unlimited oil story seems to have legs


That such delusion is so entrenched is more compelling evidence for the existence of peak oil.
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Re: Jerome Corsi Versus PeakOil.com

Postby MagnoliaFan » Wed 16 Nov 2005, 19:43:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'R')igzone fired two editors for publishing Corsi's piece.

http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2005/11/15/32834/429#16

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I'm not familiar with Rigzone, but to me, this seems like a rather draconian way to silence debate on the abiotic oil theory. Now there will surely be those who will point to this as evidence that the "powers that be" don't want the public to know about abiotic oil.
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Re: Jerome Corsi Versus PeakOil.com

Postby MattSavinar » Wed 16 Nov 2005, 19:56:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MagnoliaFan', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'R')igzone fired two editors for publishing Corsi's piece. link Best, Matt
I'm not familiar with Rigzone, but to me, this seems like a rather draconian way to silence debate on the abiotic oil theory. Now there will surely be those who will point to this as evidence that the "powers that be" don't want the public to know about abiotic oil.


Let's say the powers that be don't want the public to know about abiotic oil. Why then, is somebody as connected as Jerome Corsi one of the primary proponents of it? The guy wrote the Swift Boat book. So he's clearly connected.
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Re: Jerome Corsi Versus PeakOil.com

Postby dub_scratch » Wed 16 Nov 2005, 20:06:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'L')et's say the powers that be don't want the public to know about abiotic oil. Why then, is somebody as connected as Jerome Corsi one of the primary proponents of it? The guy wrote the Swift Boat book. So he's clearly connected.
Let me have a stab at this one.

Perhaps TPTB chose Jerome Corsi, as their inside guy spilling the beans, simply because of his tarnished credibility in the whole Swiftboat thing. This way the Big Oil conspiracy to take over the world can preempt any unveiling of the truth about abiotic oil. The rest of the world stays tricked into thinking that oil is limited. LOL
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Re: Jerome Corsi Versus PeakOil.com

Postby bobcousins » Wed 16 Nov 2005, 20:20:41

Oh, now I am so confused! Does oil come from dinosaurs or red herrings?

And what the heck has it to do with ducks??

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Re: Jerome Corsi Versus PeakOil.com

Postby Hegel » Wed 16 Nov 2005, 20:21:21

*slaps bobcousin with a red herring* 8)
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Re: Jerome Corsi Versus PeakOil.com

Postby OilsNotWell » Wed 16 Nov 2005, 20:52:36

View Mr. Corsi as part of the fundamentalist brownshirt neo-con vanguard.

His racist and patently offensive reactionist posts on Free Republic have been exposed. Then he tried to claim he was 'just joking'. Just Google him.

He also pushes to advance the scare-mongering of a nuclear armed Iran, and pushes for an Iranian invasion, publishing a scare-piece called 'Atomic Iran' and as part of the so-called Iran Freedom Foundation.

Connected at the hip with the psycho neocons...


http://deconsumption.typepad.com/decons ... tions.html

http://journals.aol.com/outkast1564/Lyi ... ntries/200

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'â')€¢ Comparing Islam to a disease

But Corsi has expressed very different opinions on Islam in the past. According to his own postings on FreeRepublic.com, on November 18, 2001 Corsi used a racial slur to define Arabs; "Rag heads are Boy-Bumpers [sodomizers] as clearly as they are Women Haters- it all goes together." In November 2002, Corsi said; "They think the liberals will never let out that these two were lovers... typical Islamic boy-buggering. Older man with younger man- black Muslims..." Using the incendiary style he perfected for 'swiftboat veteran' TV attack ads, Jerome Corsi continued; "Islam is a peaceful religion as long as the women are beaten, the boys buggered, and the infidels killed." Comparing Islam to a disease, he added; "How's this for an analogy? The Koran is simply the "software" for producing deviant cancer cell political behavior and violence in human beings" and "Islam is like a virus. It affects the mind. Maybe even better as an analogy: it is a cancer that destroys the body it infects. No doctor would hesitate to eliminate cancer cells from the body." In April, 2004 Corsi added; "Let's see why it isn't the case that Islam is a worthless, dangerous, satanic religion. Where's the proof to the contrary?"

http://endeavorfreedom.blogspot.com/200 ... s-gov.html



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'â')€¢ Corsi on Islam: "a worthless, dangerous Satanic religion"

• Corsi on Catholicism: "Boy buggering in both Islam and Catholicism is okay with the Pope as long as it isn't reported by the liberal press"

• Corsi on Muslims: "RAGHEADS are Boy-Bumpers as clearly as they are Women-Haters -- it all goes together"

• Corsi on "John F*ing Commie Kerry": "After he married TerRAHsa, didn't John Kerry begin practicing Judiasm? He also has paternal grandparents that were Jewish. What religion is John Kerry?"

• Corsi on Senator "FAT HOG" Clinton: "Anybody ask why HELLary couldn't keep BJ Bill satisfied? Not lesbo or anything, is she?"

http://questionscontemplations.blogspot ... eedom.html


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ollowing are examples of some of rhetoric by "jrlc" as posted on http://www.FreeRepublic.com --

on Catholics and the Pope:

-- "Boy buggering in both Islam and Catholicism is okay with the Pope as long as it isn't reported by the liberal press."

-- "So this is what the last days of the Catholic Church are going to look like. Buggering boys undermines the moral base and the laywyers rip the gold off the Vatican altars. We may get one more Pope, when this senile one dies, but that's probably about it."

on Islam:

-- "Let's see exactly why it isn't the case that Islam is a worthless, dangerous Satanic religion? Where's the proof to the contrary?"

-- "Islam is like a virus -- it affects the mind -- maybe even better as an analogy -- it is a cancer that destroys the body it infects."

-- "Islam is a peaceful religion as long as the women are beaten, the boys buggered, and the infidels killed."

-- "Think the liberal press will ever let out that these 2 were lovers -- typical Islamic boy-buggering -- older man, younger man -- black Muslims? I doubt it. Not a pretty picture, but one certain to be hidden by PC media."

-- "RAGHEADS are Boy-Bumpers as clearly as they are Women- Haters -- it all goes together."

on Kerry:

-- "First let's undermine the US in Vietnam. Then we can go for gay marriage. When you get to be Pres. JFK-lite, there will be no end to how much of America we can destroy."

-- "Just don't let anybody put a tablet with the Ten Commandments in front of the school where that girl wants to wear a Muslim scarf -- OH, No --- then the RATS would complain. Anti- Christian, Anti-American -- just like their Presidential Candidate -- Jean Francois Kerrie."

-- "After he married TerRAHsa, didn't John Kerry begin practicing Judiasm? He also has paternal gradparents that were Jewish. What religion is John Kerry?"

-- "Kerry has a long history of Communist supporters."

-- "Kerry offers a clear choice. Anti-American hatred."

-- "John F-ing Commie Kerry and Commie Ted discuss their plan to hand America over to our nation's enemies."

on President Clinton:

-- "When is this guy going to admit he's simply an anti- American communist? Won't he and his leftist wife simply go away???? Enough already."

-- "Hey, Bill, didn't you steal enough when you had the chance?"

-- "Clinton doesn't get it. Afganistan, and other Moslim countries, are not poor because they lack money. The culture itself is anti-modern. But then, maybe Slick did get it and he just wants to create another bork barrel from which he and his wife can draw slop."

-- "Clinton was more interested in gays in the military than going after OBL. Clinton had Janet Rhino pushing the FBI to deport a child to Castro's nondemocratic Cuba, not searching out OBL sleepers in the USA. Clinton was too busy getting BJs in the Oval Office to do more than Wag the Dog after the Cole was hit."

on Senator Clinton:

-- "HELL-ary loves the Arabs so much (kiss, kiss Mrs. Arab- RAT) -- wonder how she would look in a Burkha?"

-- "Mullah Ali'Gore-ah is very proud of his new Bin Laden beard and he hopes others in the Democratic Party will follow his lead. Hell-ary is disappointed she cannot grow a beard, but her press secretary reminds us she can still enroll in flight school."

-- "Let the FAT HOG run!!!" (Regarding a possible presidential bid.)

-- "Hellary should resign and go away. What ever happened to the people she ran over with her car at Westchester Airport? Can't anybody sue this b-tch?"

-- "Anybody ask why HELLary couldn't keep BJ Bill satisfied? Not lesbo or anything, is she?"

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Re: Jerome Corsi Versus PeakOil.com

Postby OilsNotWell » Wed 16 Nov 2005, 21:02:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')r. Jerome Corsi, WorldNetDaily.com:

Iran has now defied the E.U.-3 by resuming uranium processing at Isfahan. During the months of negotiations, Iran has put in place somewhere between 2,000 and 4,000 advanced centrifuges. Just as soon as Iran gets enough uranium hexafluoride produced at Isfahan, Natanz will be re-opened to begin processing the uranium hexafluoride to weapons-grade uranium.

What has the Bush administration done about it? READ MORE

As I predicted in "Atomic Iran," the E.U.-3 negotiations were bound to fail, simply because the mullahs were playing the Europeans for fools. They only stopped enriching uranium because they had technical problems at Isfahan and Natanz, so they wanted to buy time.

What will happen next? Iran will make an atomic bomb. They already have proved their Shahab-3 missile is solid-fuel ready. This reduces the launch time to virtually nothing, making the Shahab-3 harder to hit by the Patriot and Arrow anti-missile systems we and the Israelis have in place. A missile is most reliably downed immediately after launch. Hitting a missile when it is in the final stages of heading to earth is like hitting a bullet, with a bullet – almost impossible. The Shahab-3 will easily reach Tel Aviv.

I wrote in "Atomic Iran" that terrorists do not stockpile weapons, they use them. Once the mullahs have atomic bombs ready to go, we run the risk of waking up to an Atomic 9-11 surprise. On some sunny, beautiful morning we may find out the mullahs have atomic bombs only because we see a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv or New York City.

I also wrote in "Atomic Iran" that the technical problems terrorist sleeper cells face in getting an improvised nuclear device are largely solved once a terrorist regime such as Iran can manufacture the bomb and ship it into the United States in containers. Our ports are still far from secure. Will we someday be reading the Atomic 9-11 Commission Report and pointing fingers that the Bush administration failed to gather the intelligence that prevented a nuclear explosion in one of our major cities?

The likelihood is that we will, unless the mullahs are stopped. This is not alarmist fear-mongering. Even if the mainstream media does not want you to hear it, terrorists have discussed and plotted nuclear attacks in an American city for years. It took years to perfect the techniques to hijack airplanes and fly them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Terrorists are patient and Osama bin Laden believes history is on his side.

With the election of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as president, the hard-liners in Iran are in full control. Naming the former deputy intelligence minister, Mostafa Pourmohammadi, as interior minister is a clear sign that the brutal suppression of any internal dissent will be intensified in months to come.

The hunger strike of Akbar Ganji has continued since June 11, with almost no international attention. Why isn't Akbar Ganji achieving the international fame of a Nelson Mandela, a Andrei Sakharov, or a Vaclav Havel?

The answer is simple: The mullahs have over $200 million a day in oil windfall profits and they have bought the best talent money can buy worldwide – a legion of lawyers, public-relations consultants, lobbyists, and media consultants are on the mullah payroll, including many here in the United States.

The mullahs mean to press their radical Islamic revolution against the world and they are determined that nuclear weapons are the path to their world historic destiny of success. Who is going to stop them now? Was President Bush's Second Inaugural Address just meaningless rhetoric, or will he really stand with the Iranians who want a free Iran? Right now, the mullahs are winning. They are consolidating their power and moving toward nuclear weapons capability.

The opportunity for peaceful internal change – the best option, the one we should have pursued with prompt and meaningful funding to serious opposition groups – is slipping by fast. We can go to the Security Council, but that will be worthless. China and Russia will block any meaningful actions. Besides, with oil at $66 a barrel, nobody in the world is going to take more sanctions against Iran seriously. Unfortunately, we are now headed toward one of two undesirable outcomes – military confrontation, or the mullahs will soon have all the atomic weapons they want. There's not much else left. All this is proceeding along the track I predicted events would take when I wrote "Atomic Iran."

President Bush's legacy is on the line with Iran. His father did not remove Saddam Hussein when he had the chance in the first [Persian] Gulf War. If President Bush does not stop the mullahs from having a nuclear weapon, the world will soon face nuclear blackmail and the blame will be laid on President Bush's doorstep. President Bush is allowing the mullahs to lie and cheat their way to nuclear weapons, on his watch.

Relying on the Europeans was a bad idea – the mullahs just gained time. Let's hope President Bush gets his resolve soon and decides not to make Iran somebody else's problem.


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For those not familiar with this rhetoric and its parallels to Iraq, google PNAC, Project for a New American Century, and see Syria, Iran, and perhaps even Saudi Arabia in the crosshairs for a wider regional war to secure access to and control of petroleum resources, prevent collapse of the dollar as a reserve currency, award fat reconstruction contracts, justify continual massive defense spending, and basically sustain and feed empire and protect and expand Israel's interests at the same time.
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Re: Jerome Corsi Versus PeakOil.com

Postby gardener » Wed 16 Nov 2005, 21:04:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m not familiar with Rigzone, but to me, this seems like a rather draconian way to silence debate on the abiotic oil theory. Now there will surely be those who will point to this as evidence that the "powers that be" don't want the public to know about abiotic oil.


This is the flashing neon sign that this guy has no idea what he is talking about. If he had a deep interest in knowing what is going on in the oil and gas business, he would know rigzone.

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Re: Jerome Corsi Versus PeakOil.com

Postby MonteQuest » Wed 16 Nov 2005, 21:45:39

Please do not post abiotic oil threads to the Peak oil Discussion forum.

We have a 25 page Official Abiotic Oil Thread here:

http://www.peakoil.com/forum11.html

You too, Matt. :)

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Re: Jerome Corsi Versus PeakOil.com

Postby MattSavinar » Wed 16 Nov 2005, 21:52:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'P')lease do not post abiotic oil threads to the Peak oil Discussion forum.

We have a 25 page Official Abiotic Oil Thread here:

http://www.peakoil.com/forum11.html

You too, Matt. :)

I'll let it perk for a while in Current Events.


My apologies.

BTW, Mr. Corsi is on a "peak oil is cacka" writing binge, often pumping out an article every day:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/archi ... HOR_ID=246

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Re: Jerome Corsi Versus PeakOil.com

Postby MattSavinar » Wed 16 Nov 2005, 21:57:12

According to this piece, the guy is running for Senate in 2008:

http://journals.aol.com/outkast1564/Lyi ... ntries/200

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