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When Doomerism Becomes Social Irresponsibility

Postby doufus » Sun 13 Nov 2005, 04:40:40

Yes it's a democracy, but it's naive to believe that the doomerism
that exists here is harmless.

Especially dangerous is the "I give up" brigade taking to the hills
with their AK-47 and spare toilet roll.

This saps the energies of those who are confused and who could
help to make a difference but who have been affected by the
propaganda of the PSMW brigade- please slit my wrists.

Readers also need to be aware that there are potential financial
interests in these forums. Several contirbutors write for media and
get paid for their opinions. Others are possibly assisted by the sale
of survivalist type goods and services.

Last thing I knew, good news never sold.

I believe that this site should have a disclaimer that states that the
views expressed here are largely those of amateurs with no
special insight into PO issues, that some may hold financial interests
that are assisted by the views they express (both positive and
negative) and that despite claims to the contrary, no single individual
or even group of individuals is ever likely to hold insights into PO
that are not contested, controversial and without severe limitations.

The complexity of PO demands that we be up front about it. I think
too many people arrive at this site, get a dose of doomer, lapse
into depression and then give up. They need to understahd that
this is only one viewpoint- just as limited, partial, selective and
biased as any other on this site.
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Re: When Doomerism Becomes Social Irresponsibility

Postby TT » Sun 13 Nov 2005, 05:03:29

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Re: When Doomerism Becomes Social Irresponsibility

Postby doufus » Sun 13 Nov 2005, 05:09:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TT', 'B')S


Hey, there's a whole keyboard there. Get your money's worth dude!
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Re: When Doomerism Becomes Social Irresponsibility

Postby Andrew_S » Sun 13 Nov 2005, 05:11:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('doufus', '
')
I believe that this site should have a disclaimer that states that the
views expressed here are largely those of amateurs with no
special insight into PO issues, that some may hold financial interests
that are assisted by the views they express (both positive and
negative) and that despite claims to the contrary, no single individual
or even group of individuals is ever likely to hold insights into PO
that are not contested, controversial and without severe limitations.



In fewer words you could simply say it's a public internet bulletin board.

People read at their own risk and have to think for themselves.
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Re: When Doomerism Becomes Social Irresponsibility

Postby TT » Sun 13 Nov 2005, 05:14:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('doufus', '
')Hey, there's a whole keyboard there. Get your money's worth dude!


I did. It wasn't worth any more.
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Re: When Doomerism Becomes Social Irresponsibility

Postby jato » Sun 13 Nov 2005, 05:33:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('doufus', 'T')hey need to understand that
this is only one viewpoint-


I don't care for most of your viewpoints. You like to entertain yourself and poke fun at others. Your crystal ball is no better than anyone else’s. IIRC You have not come up with any solutions to the problems we face. Instead, you criticize others because they share a different worldview.
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Re: When Doomerism Becomes Social Irresponsibility

Postby Chocky » Sun 13 Nov 2005, 05:52:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his saps the energies of those who are confused and who could
help to make a difference but who have been affected by the
propaganda of the PSMW brigade- please slit my wrists.


If these hypothetical savious of mankind you're talking about are so readily influenced by an internet forum then I think you are overestimating the difference that they could make.
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Re: When Doomerism Becomes Social Irresponsibility

Postby doufus » Sun 13 Nov 2005, 06:24:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Andrew_S', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('doufus', '
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I believe that this site should have a disclaimer that states that the
views expressed here are largely those of amateurs with no
special insight into PO issues, that some may hold financial interests
that are assisted by the views they express (both positive and
negative) and that despite claims to the contrary, no single individual
or even group of individuals is ever likely to hold insights into PO
that are not contested, controversial and without severe limitations.



In fewer words you could simply say it's a public internet bulletin board.

People read at their own risk and have to think for themselves.


Ordinarily I'd agree but this board is v. different. As PO becomes
more mainstream people will come here and be influenced in
possibly major ways. Even now, a number of posts have expressed
suicidal ideation, utter despair and revealed a number of major
career, financial and life changes.

It's easy to regard this site as a supplier of fact rather than opinion.
The US is disclaimer paradise as far as I knew. If somebody lost
a zillion based on info on this site, i wonder it they'd sue?

Financial sites have disclaimers. Home built aircraft sites have
disclaimers. Seems silly not to have one here.
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Re: When Doomerism Becomes Social Irresponsibility

Postby doufus » Sun 13 Nov 2005, 06:30:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('doufus', 'T')hey need to understand that
this is only one viewpoint-


I don't care for most of your viewpoints. You like to entertain yourself and poke fun at others. Your crystal ball is no better than anyone else’s. IIRC You have not come up with any solutions to the problems we face. Instead, you criticize others because they share a different worldview.


Yeah and you don't? But at least i only advocate words and some satire.
You advocate guns and killing in the name of your worldview.

Seems your killing is justified and my satire is not.
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Re: When Doomerism Becomes Social Irresponsibility

Postby Ludi » Sun 13 Nov 2005, 06:36:21

Only people who already have emotional/mental problems may be in danger from reading these forums. I don't think a disclaimer is needed. I have emotional and mental problems and I havn't suffered dangerous side-effects from reading here. If anything, it's improved my life by encouraging me to make some changes I wanted to make anyway but lacked the impetus.

So, neener. :P
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Re: When Doomerism Becomes Social Irresponsibility

Postby jato » Sun 13 Nov 2005, 06:40:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doufus', 'Y')ou advocate guns and killing in the name of your worldview.


If you mean hunting and self-defense, then you are correct. :-D
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Re: When Doomerism Becomes Social Irresponsibility

Postby doufus » Sun 13 Nov 2005, 06:42:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doufus', 'Y')ou advocate guns and killing in the name of your worldview.


If you mean hunting and self-defense, then you are correct. :-D


Let's not get into a lawyer's debate on what constitutes self defence.
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Re: When Doomerism Becomes Social Irresponsibility

Postby bobcousins » Sun 13 Nov 2005, 06:56:29

Actually, doofus has a point, there are many stupid people out there who might cause harm and end up suing PO.com. In order to avoid legal unpleasantness, it would do no harm to add a disclaimer. The following is part of a real disclaimer from the Scientiic American website

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(I apologise for the caps, they do that for legal reasons). I repeat this is real not a spoof.
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Re: When Doomerism Becomes Social Irresponsibility

Postby lowem » Sun 13 Nov 2005, 06:59:51

Don't forget the army's version - "we were only carrying out orders", "they were the enemy" and so on - "time-honoured" reasons given for killing.
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Re: When Doomerism Becomes Social Irresponsibility

Postby lowem » Sun 13 Nov 2005, 07:05:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bobcousins', 'T')he following is part of a real disclaimer from the Scientiic American website ...


Good one. Let's amend it a little then ...

... YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE OR NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES TO YOUR PERSONAL LIFE, STATE OF SANITY, MENTAL OR EMOTIONAL HEALTH, FAMILY FINANCES, OR ANY OTHER ITEM LISTED IN THE ACCOMPANYING APPENDIX 1A, THAT RESULTS FROM ANY MATERIAL AND/OR DATA DOWNLOADED FROM OR OTHERWISE PROVIDED THROUGH PEAKOIL.COM.

Please feel free to fill up Appendix 1A :lol:
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Re: When Doomerism Becomes Social Irresponsibility

Postby Aaron » Sun 13 Nov 2005, 07:05:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '4'). CONTENT ACCESSIBLE ON THE SERVICE
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Re: When Doomerism Becomes Social Irresponsibility

Postby Ludi » Sun 13 Nov 2005, 07:16:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')lease use caution and common sense when viewing peakoil.com communities.


:lol:
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Re: When Doomerism Becomes Social Irresponsibility

Postby Guest » Sun 13 Nov 2005, 07:21:47

Poop.

There's something far more dangerous than "doomerism": COMPLACENCY.


This is an internet forum, the electronic equivalent of graffiti, not a newspaper staff.
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Re: When Doomerism Becomes Social Irresponsibility

Postby killJOY » Sun 13 Nov 2005, 07:24:04

(Actually, that was me, not "guest.")
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Re: When Doomerism Becomes Social Irresponsibility

Postby doufus » Sun 13 Nov 2005, 07:39:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')lease use caution and common sense when viewing peakoil.com communities.


:lol:


How about the wording I used previously:

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