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ignorance is bliss

Unread postby BabyPeanut » Fri 11 Nov 2005, 09:28:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/05/0506_040506_oceanplastic_2.html]Oceans Awash With Microscopic Plastic, Scientists Say (link)[/url]
James Owen
for National Geographic News
May 6, 2004

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To gauge long-term trends, the scientists examined plankton samples collected over the past 40 years in shipping lanes between Iceland and Scotland. Results showed there was approximately three times more plastic in the water column in the 1990s compared with the 1960s.

"Estimates for the longevity of plastic range from a hundred to a thousand years," Thompson said. "Since we've only been [mass producing] plastics for 40 years, we still don't have a full handle on their longevity."

The impact of larger plastic flotsam on marine wildlife is well documented. According to the U.K.'s Marine Conservation Society, a national environmental nonprofit, more than a million seabirds and 100,000 mammals and sea turtles die globally each year from entanglement in, or ingestion of, plastics.

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Once lodged in an animal's digestive tract, plastic can prove fatal.

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Many plastics contain toxic chemicals, including biocides (to prevent organisms colonizing their surfaces)

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when plastics are floating in the seas, they will accumulate and absorb toxic chemicals that are present from other sources. These are hydrophobic chemicals that hate to be in water and cling to plastic as an alternative. These chemicals may then be transported to organisms that eat the plastic."

Such toxic chemicals include PCBs (polychlorinated biphenyls) and DDE (dichlorodiphenyldichloroethylene), which are derived from pesticides and other manmade substances. These agents are known endocrine disruptors—chemicals that interfere with the reproductive, developmental, and immune systems of animals.

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"What we are finding, increasingly, are plastic bottles, caps, bits of packaging—disposable items which are used once and then thrown away."

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Re: ignorance is bliss

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 11 Nov 2005, 09:36:14

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Re: ignorance is bliss

Unread postby Raxozanne » Fri 11 Nov 2005, 11:05:54

Don't forget that huge floating mass of used condoms that's meant to be floating around out there. 8O
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Re: ignorance is bliss

Unread postby Wildwell » Fri 11 Nov 2005, 12:21:34

Ah the joys of the oil economy:

Plastic bags are everywhere. According to the Virginia-based American Plastics Council, 80 percent of groceries are packed in plastic bags.

"The numbers are absolutely staggering," said Vincent Cobb, a businessperson from Chicago who launched reusablebags.com. He notes that consumers use between 500 billion and 1 trillion plastic bags per year worldwide.

Plastic bags can be found in landfills, stuck on trees, and floating in the ocean.


What is the effect of all of these bags? Some experts say that they harm the environment. Plastic bags can take hundreds of years to break down. As they break down, they release poisonous materials into the water and soil.

Plastic bags in the ocean can choke and strangle wildlife. Endangered sea turtles eat the bags and often choke on them—probably because the bags look like jellyfish, the main food of many sea turtles.

In fact, floating plastic bags have been spotted as far north as the Arctic Ocean (see map) to as far south as the southern end of South America (see map). One expert predicts that within ten years, plastic bags will wash up in Antarctica (see map)

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/kids ... cbags.html
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Re: ignorance is bliss

Unread postby AmericanEmpire » Fri 11 Nov 2005, 12:52:33

Man this stuff just pisses me off! :x

Sad what we have done to the environment. We think the world is our playground to do with as we want being ignorant of the fact that we depend up the ecosystem to live also. :(

This is the reason peak oil no longer bothers me. We need the oil economy to end and soon.
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Re: ignorance is bliss

Unread postby UIUCstudent01 » Fri 11 Nov 2005, 19:07:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AmericanEmpire', 'M')an this stuff just pisses me off! :x

Sad what we have done to the environment. We think the world is our playground to do with as we want being ignorant of the fact that we depend up the ecosystem to live also. :(

This is the reason peak oil no longer bothers me. We need the oil economy to end and soon.


I think a correction should be 'fossil fuel civilization', but of course, that's been ending since the first time we used coal, oil, and nat. gas.

And, in my estimation, this civilization will still go on for about another 100 years at least... it's just after Peak Oil, the scarcity of these resources are going to be realized on a level never seen before...
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Re: ignorance is bliss

Unread postby FairMaiden » Wed 16 Nov 2005, 14:02:22

The most affluent time in history and what have we done with it? Waste, waste, waste.

Of couse, ppl will say that we've invented all these wonderful gadgets and toys - but what use will they be for survival when we have no power to run them?
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Re: ignorance is bliss

Unread postby AmericanEmpire » Wed 16 Nov 2005, 21:53:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')f couse, ppl will say that we've invented all these wonderful gadgets and toys - but what use will they be for survival when we have no power to run them?


Yeah, I mean was a "higher standard of living" for one or two generations of people really worth the pain and suffering that is going to come with the end of cheap fossil energy?

Its just so damn pointless if you think about it. For instance all this medical technology to help peoples pain and suffering. Yet it won't do a damn bit of good when dieoff hits and there are billions suffering and dieing from lack of food and lack of medical care.

There is no way in the world that this party is worth the mess that is going to have to be cleaned up and dealt with latter.
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Re: ignorance is bliss

Unread postby Dukat_Reloaded » Thu 17 Nov 2005, 00:14:56

People should be using the bins, not throwing their garbage into the oceans. I remember in the early 20th centery afew people claimed that the oceans ability to absourb rubbish was infinate. That reminds me of a guy in my school days, I was walking home one day and saw a guy using a broom handle to shove all his rubbish into a storm water drain, I think he forgot to put his bin out for collection. I do think alot of the estimates for the breakdown of plastic bottles are abit drawn out, I do know that a floating bottle will not last long against salt water and constant full sun. I'm not sure about the microscopic particals, that could be a problem, then again, against the vastness of the oceans, I'm sure the levels will remain low. All we have to do is stop littering, unfortantly there are a ton of litterbugs out there, and I ask a friend of mine (not really my friend) why he litters so much (eg, throws fast food runnish out the car window), said he's creating jobs "they'll have to pay someone to pick that up".
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Re: ignorance is bliss

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 17 Nov 2005, 00:36:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raxozanne', 'D')on't forget that huge floating mass of used condoms that's meant to be floating around out there. 8O


NO!

Condoms = latex = biodegradable plant product.

More condoms = less people = less plastic.

Use more condoms!
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Re: ignorance is bliss

Unread postby Dukat_Reloaded » Thu 17 Nov 2005, 02:02:31

Yes but condoms come in plastic wrappers.
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Re: ignorance is bliss

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 17 Nov 2005, 02:06:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukat', 'Y')es but condoms come in plastic wrappers.


Hmmm...plastic condom wrapper...vs....all the crap consumed by an American during their life time.

USE THE CONDOM! (actually, better yet, get an IUD or a vasectomy depending on your gender)
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Re: ignorance is bliss

Unread postby Raxozanne » Tue 22 Nov 2005, 14:21:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raxozanne', 'D')on't forget that huge floating mass of used condoms that's meant to be floating around out there. 8O


NO!

Condoms = latex = biodegradable plant product.

More condoms = less people = less plastic.

Use more condoms!


yeah sorry turns out it was an urban legend...

urban legend of floating condoms
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