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I think we should be worried

Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Sat 05 Nov 2005, 11:44:15

http://www.compfused.com/directlink/282/

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Now why didn't I take the blue pill.
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Re: I think we should be worried

Unread postby lateStarter » Sat 05 Nov 2005, 12:56:10

Could someone please explain to me how that man could become the President of the United States?
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Re: I think we should be worried

Unread postby Carlhole » Mon 07 Nov 2005, 16:22:58

By being a simple-minded, gutless, sock-puppet with a poppy.
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Re: I think we should be worried

Unread postby BabyPeanut » Mon 07 Nov 2005, 16:26:17

Diebold lie-o-matic voting machines.
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Re: I think we should be worried

Unread postby Eli » Mon 07 Nov 2005, 18:01:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', 'C')ould someone please explain to me how that man could become the President of the United States?


I will give you two reasons John Kerry and Al Gore.
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Re: I think we should be worried

Unread postby lateStarter » Mon 07 Nov 2005, 18:38:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', 'C')ould someone please explain to me how that man could become the President of the United States?


I will give you two reasons John Kerry and Al Gore.


Was AG just too intelligent for the vast majority of American's to get their arms around? I know he used some big words from time to time (environment) , and he actually spoke in complete sentences, but c'mon! Bush doesn't even come across as a good candidate for 'County Commissioner'. I still contend that the US could do just as well by having a lottery drawing for being the next president. Maybe they could use the funds to help all the poor people that are getting what little aid they had left cutoff...

On the other hand, I am totally apolitical. It really doesn't matter who gets 'elected'. They are all crooks/posers/puppets... Why does it have to be this way??? This is the big reason, I especially fear some kind of charming, demi-god seizing the opportunity of the coming years difficulties, to take control (because people will be looking for a messiah - politically or religiously to make everything better) and further exacerbate the problem(s).

You all can argue all you want about the technical and economic aspects of PO, but in the end, it will all come down to the people who are in charge at the time (and unfortunately, those who were in charge the prior 30 years) the crisis rears it's ugly head. In other words, we are f*cked! Please plan accordingly (and have a nice day).
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Re: I think we should be worried

Unread postby Carlhole » Mon 07 Nov 2005, 19:15:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', 'W')as AG just too intelligent for the vast majority of American's to get their arms around? I know he used some big words from time to time (environment) , and he actually spoke in complete sentences, but c'mon! Bush doesn't even come across as a good candidate for 'County Commissioner'. I still contend that the US could do just as well by having a lottery drawing for being the next president. Maybe they could use the funds to help all the poor people that are getting what little aid they had left cutoff...


Al Gore DID win the popular vote in 2000. The electoral race, however, was so close that the Supreme Court ruled against further vote counting and declared Bush the winner.

However, both parties in Washington, much as they clash, are corrupt. It's all about the money and it always has been throughout American history - some periods are worse than others.

I wish there were a third party. And I nominate the Libertarians. As it is, the Libertarian share of the total vote is negligible. But they certainly offer a principled political philosophy that can inject good ideas into any debate. The fact that they ARE principled, is the Libertarian Party's primary drawback in Washington.
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Unread postby Schweinshaxe » Mon 07 Nov 2005, 19:48:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', 'W')as AG just too intelligent for the vast majority of American's to get their arms around? I know he used some big words from time to time (environment) , and he actually spoke in complete sentences, but c'mon! Bush doesn't even come across as a good candidate for 'County Commissioner'. I still contend that the US could do just as well by having a lottery drawing for being the next president. Maybe they could use the funds to help all the poor people that are getting what little aid they had left cutoff...


Al Gore DID win the popular vote in 2000. The electoral race, however, was so close that the Supreme Court ruled against further vote counting and declared Bush the winner.

However, both parties in Washington, much as they clash, are corrupt. It's all about the money and it always has been throughout American history - some periods are worse than others.

I wish there were a third party. And I nominate the Libertarians. As it is, the Libertarian share of the total vote is negligible. But they certainly offer a principled political philosophy that can inject good ideas into any debate. The fact that they ARE principled, is the Libertarian Party's primary drawback in Washington.


What about Ralph "Unsafe At Any Speed" Nader? Or Jello Biafra? He was at least running for Mayor of San Fransisco a couple of decades ago. I don't think he was libertarian though.

Feel free to start a trhread about third party president candidates through the years. That would be very interesting. Anyone?
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Re: I think we should be worried

Unread postby Carlhole » Tue 08 Nov 2005, 10:45:01

"Because the—all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculate, for example, is on the table; whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those—changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be—or closer delivered to what has been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of things that cause the—like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to the increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate—the benefits will rise based upon inflation, as opposed to wage increases. There is a reform that would help solve the red if that were put into effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those—if that growth is affected, it will help on the red."
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Re: I think we should be worried

Unread postby PrairieMule » Tue 08 Nov 2005, 13:20:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', 'C')ould someone please explain to me how that man could become the President of the United States?


Because Al Gore had even poorer public speaking skills. I didn't vote for the man but I'll conceede he had planks on his platform that were very forward thinking(energy and enviroment). Very monotone and stiff. I mean if you didn't know him could you see this guy selling Toyotas?
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Re: I think we should be worried

Unread postby Specop_007 » Tue 08 Nov 2005, 20:16:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BabyPeanut', 'D')iebold lie-o-matic voting machines.


I never get tired of hearing that. :lol:
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Re: I think we should be worried

Unread postby SinisterBlueCat » Wed 09 Nov 2005, 11:29:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', 'C')ould someone please explain to me how that man could become the President of the United States?


Why, that is an easy one. Because hate trumps bread.

By voting for this president and his merry band of corporate pirates, the faithful of america were voting for God! Even if once in office they rob you of your farm, or roll back social programs that you depend on, it does not matter! Tis far better than voting for those pagan hedonistic democrats.

Furthermore, by continually keeping people focused on hot button issues like abortion, gun control, evolution and the evils of terror, the right wingers have been able to keep middle america from fretting about things like health care, Iraq and jobs lost over seas and most importantly...keep themselves in office.
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Re: I think we should be worried

Unread postby swingbolder » Wed 09 Nov 2005, 12:28:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SinisterBlueCat', '
')Furthermore, by continually keeping people focused on hot button issues like abortion, gun control, evolution and the evils of terror, the right wingers have been able to keep middle america from fretting about things like health care, Iraq and jobs lost over seas and most importantly...keep themselves in office.


And don't forget gay marriage. . . which, in the months leading up to the presidential election, was portrayed as the biggest threat to American way of life, mom and apple pie. Then iafter the elctions, it promptly died as an issue, never to be heard from again.
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Re: I think we should be worried

Unread postby PrairieMule » Wed 09 Nov 2005, 13:13:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SinisterBlueCat', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', 'C')ould someone please explain to me how that man could become the President of the United States?


Why, that is an easy one. Because hate trumps bread.

By voting for this president and his merry band of corporate pirates, the faithful of america were voting for God! Even if once in office they rob you of your farm, or roll back social programs that you depend on, it does not matter! Tis far better than voting for those pagan hedonistic democrats.

Furthermore, by continually keeping people focused on hot button issues like abortion, gun control, evolution and the evils of terror, the right wingers have been able to keep middle america from fretting about things like health care, Iraq and jobs lost over seas and most importantly...keep themselves in office.


Maybe it's a little deeper than trump hates bread, maybe so much bread was being taken away from middle america and given freely. Maybe it's because the democrats could not come up with a better platform than I really hate Bush. Dems have really good ideas on the enviroment, energy policy, and holding corporate america in check but they could not get their message out in 2000,2002, and 2004, thus they have had their asses handed to them. The war is starting to erode the base of the right, could be real turning point for the Dems but it will take real ideas which I have heard none, just a lot of parroting of the obvious. Dems need another Bill Clinton. Like him or not the man could connect and deliver votesMaybe Hillary has a shot in 2008, she has been moderating a lot. Will I vote for her, NOOOOOOOO. But she might be able to pull it off.

Oh and the mantra of merry band of corporate pirates and the republicans, how about slip on the pavement set me up for a lifetime of ease law lobby is in bed with the dems. Democrats are just as guilty of whoring out their party too. I think of ambulance chaseing Lawyers and Democrats every time I see my health care deductions on my modest paycheck. Yeah thats right modest, like a school teacher's check, and so far Bush has been the only one pushing for greater deductions for the $1000 a month I pay in child care. That goes a lot farther than I hate bush because he stutters.
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Re: I think we should be worried

Unread postby SinisterBlueCat » Wed 09 Nov 2005, 14:59:51

so, as a teacher (traditionally a working class democratic occupation) you find it better to vote for a party that traditionally represents the elite class of the affluent because they are cutting taxes? Even if that party is in favor of privatization, deregulation, monopolies in every industry from banking to radio to meatpacking, the destruction of the welfare state and the beatdown of the labor movement?

To me, this is like shopping at walmart . Save $5 on a hairdryer at walmart instead of spending a little more to support the local merchants. Yeah sure, you saved the five bucks, but in the long haul, it will crush you.

I agree that the dems are whoring themselves out to some degree as well, but I think it is because they are seeing their base disappear. We do not need another clinton...yes, I liked him...but his triangulation spelled strangulation for other dems. We need an FDR!
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