[seldom_seen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', '1'). You get to see your neighbour with his 7 series BMW scratching in the dirt for worms.

[seldom_seen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', 'T')en things to look forward to with PO. (hep me out here)

[DamienJasper]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', 'D')J,

I'm not being flippant. Okay my neighbour doesn't even have a BMW but my point is that we have become too materialistic IMO and PO will put an end to that. How is killing yourself going to help your family and friends. Would it not be more constructive to learn all you can so you can help the ones you love get through the hardship.

Presumably killing yourself will devastate your family. Believe me I have seen the results that suicide has had on families and almost invariably it destroys them.

[Madpaddy]

DJ,

Much and all as I expect PO to happen, there is almost no evidence of its imminent arrival at least where I live. We could go on business as usual for another 12 years. I sincerely doubt that any explanation you could give your family would alleviate their distress at your topping yourself.

You are obviously very articulate even if you say you are just another mouth to feed. Do you not think that you could learn to be a farmer etc. I never grew anything except my hair before this summer and have spent most of the last few months being self sufficient in several crops.

LIVE AND LEARN.

[DamienJasper]

Look, like I said. I would be fond of going from my life as it is now as a working college student and Salvation Army Officer trainee to being a small farming family unit. But what happens between here and there (now vs farming life) is just not going to allow that to happen.

How many times can I state this; I have no property to farm on. I have 7K college debt. I don't have the capital to become a farmer. Really, that's all there is to it.

[BAM]

Harden up, you SOFT COCK!

[Madpaddy]

DJ,

You are making the mistake of letting the system get you down. Is 7K of college debt really a good reason for suicide. You have no property, could you even join a commune (not that I really advocate that). Do anything but don't off yourself.

What is your background, age etc. Lets look through this objectively and I bet you have loads to offer.

[DamienJasper]

Maybe later. Right now it's time to try and sleep.

[Madpaddy]

BAM,

Hardly constructive but funny all the same.

[DamienJasper]

Hardening up would mean forgetting all about my family and stepping on others like never before to ensure my survival. That's as good as being dead inside for me.

[seldom_seen]

Sweet mary mother of jesus! You're in Idaho Damien. Most people can walk out their back door in Idaho and catch a giant rainbow trout for breakfast. When evening rolls around they can shoot a large elk in their backyard that will feed the family for most of the winter.

Think of those sad saps that live on the upper eastside of Manhatten. Surrounded by a concrete jungle they are utterly dependent on their food being trucked in to the city. If they step out of their high rise apartments they are easy prey for criminals and malcontents.

Take up hunting and fishing and survival skills. Soon your skills will be in high demand and you can be a leader or educater of your community.

Maybe those skills don't interest you but Idaho is really a good place to be.

[Madpaddy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ardening up would mean forgetting all about my family and stepping on others like never before to ensure my survival. That's as good as being dead inside for me.

[DamienJasper]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'S')weet mary mother of jesus! You're in Idaho Damien. Most people can walk out their back door in Idaho and catch a giant rainbow trout for breakfast. When evening rolls around they can shoot a large elk in their backyard that will feed the family for most of the winter.

Think of those sad saps that live on the upper eastside of Manhatten. Surrounded by a concrete jungle they are utterly dependent on their food being trucked in to the city. If they step out of their high rise apartments they are easy prey for criminals and malcontents.

Take up hunting and fishing and survival skills. Soon your skills will be in high demand and you can be a leader or educater of your community.

Maybe those skills don't interest you but Idaho is really a good place to be.

[Madpaddy]

DJ wrote,
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hanks for your input as well, but given what people here are saying, I don't see why the future is really any question.

[seldom_seen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', 'Y')ou remind me of Marvin the robot in the HHGTTG.

[seldom_seen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DamienJasper', 'S')ure, an elk could feed us for the winter and damned if there aren't a few good hunters in the family

[Madpaddy]

Hey,

I'm off work today and my wife is just up and brought me in Jamaican blue mountain coffee and bagels with cheese. Life is good my friends.

I just wish we could have a PO version of Woodstock where all of us doomers, gloomers and boomers could all meet up. What would we call the event though. Stopcock or Wellstock or I don't know. We could get Midnight Oil to perform "beds are burning", Sting would be up for it as would U2 and Bob Geldof.

[Evltre]

OK - I didn't say anything earlier in this thread - because it really made me angry. But now it's been going on all day and I'm furious so I'm going to speak up. I don't know how you could even contemplate putting your family through such a horrific ordeal. Do you love your mother? I am a mother and I cannot think of a thing in the world worse than the loss of my child - let alone by their own hand. I would never recover, and the one mother of a child who killed herself that I do know has never recovered either.

Your family may (or may not - no one knows!!!!!!) face a difficult future - which would only be made worse by such a selfish act on your part. The devastation and pain you would cause them would be unimaginable. If you truly wanted to protect or save or help them you would stick around to do it - not wimp out BEFORE the going gets tough.

Get some help, professional help - not forum help - real help, preferably by someone who can prescribe you medication to help - you sound clinically depressed.

And as a last note - I got the impression you might be religious? You mentioned earlier that you want to get to Heaven quicker - and I'm not a religious person so I'm not 100% sure - I don't think they let you in if you topped yourself.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DamienJasper', ' ')But what happens between here and there (now vs farming life) is just not going to allow that to happen.

[seldom_seen]

cya MadP...



Dreamworld -- Midnight Oil

The breakfast creek hotel is up for sale
The last square mile of terra firma gavelled in the mail
So farewell to the norfolk island pines
No amount of make believe can help this heart of mine

End - your dreamworld is just about to end
Fall - your dreamworld is just about to fall
Your dreamworld will fall

So shut that buckle and turn that key again
Take me to a place they say the dreaming never ends
Open wide drive that mystery road
Walk through eden’s garden and then wonder as you go

Sign says honeymoon to rent
Cloudland into dreamland turns
The sun comes up and we all learn
Those wheels must turn