[Jake_old]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')urther, it is entirely possible to argue the 'law of the jungle' scenario as morally superior to slavery, depending upon one's own set of values.

[The_Toecutter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y my, such tough talk. Sounds like a college kid . . . who plays too many first person shooter video games.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('foodnotlawns', 'I') agree with Magnolia Fan. Slavery may be distasteful, but it was only the Industrial Age that caused the "abolition" of slavery, and as the Industrial era passes, so too will "abolition."

[foodnotlawns]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('foodnotlawns', 'I') agree with Magnolia Fan. Slavery may be distasteful, but it was only the Industrial Age that caused the "abolition" of slavery, and as the Industrial era passes, so too will "abolition."

[PrairieMule]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('foodnotlawns', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('foodnotlawns', 'I') agree with Magnolia Fan. Slavery may be distasteful, but it was only the Industrial Age that caused the "abolition" of slavery, and as the Industrial era passes, so too will "abolition."

[lotrfan55345]

China/Japan/Korea/Kingdom of Siam did not have any slaves pre-industrial era.

[foodnotlawns]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', 'C')hina/Japan/Korea/Kingdom of Siam did not have any slaves pre-industrial era.

[PenultimateManStanding]

It's back there somewhere, but I thought another one wouldn't hurt. It's based on my reading of Kunstler's The Long Emergency, why I'm bringing this up again. He pointed out the Coal Gasification worked in Nazi Germany, but only because they had slave labor. The idea is that it wouldn't work in a free society with a market capitalism economic system. So suppose that Kunstler is right, that going back to a coal-based economy would require slave labor. Would that not seem to be how we get out of this mess? So how would it all go down? My guess is that money and indebtedness will be used somehow to get around the ideological problems. The transition would be obscured by symbolism and rhetoric, masking the real situation. Serious social disruption and misery will call for drastic measures, but it will happen by stealth. There is no getting around the fact that we have enjoyed a good ride with all the cheap energy, but that the good times are drawing to an end. The ugly truth will have to be denied, while at the same time, it is dealt with.

[PrairieMule]

There is much truth in you words my friend, if it goes down like that Debt slavery will not discriminate by skin color. There is a unatural noise coming from the indestructable hull of The Titanic, yet the cocktail party and the music continues. Since I can't leave the party yet, I'll mingle and socialize by the lifeboats.

[seldom_seen]

[arocoun]

Already in other countries, lots and lots of people are in a state of perpetual slavery, working off depts that never seem to go away. Look up slavery on google or wikipedia--you'll see lots of interesting things.

I, personally, would like to say that no slavery organization will be safe within range of me. But these days, almost everyone around me is in a state of slavery they willingly go into: Wage slavery.

[PrairieMule]

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[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('arocoun', '
')I, personally, would like to say that no slavery organization will be safe within range of me. But these days, almost everyone around me is in a state of slavery they willingly go into: Wage slavery.

[AmericanEmpire]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut these days, almost everyone around me is in a state of slavery they willingly go into: Wage slavery.

[Omnitir]

Isn’t slave labour a common thing with prisoners? Maybe a new form of prison grade might be developed for people that can’t pay their debts during an economic collapse? Declare bankruptcy and get 6 to 8 years hard labour…

Or alternatively, maybe if there is mass unemployment people would be willing to work those laborious jobs for little pay.

[Battle_Scarred_Galactico]

I certainly agree. I have no doubt slavery will make a huge comeback, I don't know in which form though.

Having said that, if the majority are forced to chose between themselves, and someone "else".. lets just say it won't be themselves.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Battle_Scarred_Galactico', 'I') certainly agree. I have no doubt slavery will make a huge comeback, I don't know in which form though.

Having said that, if the majority are forced to chose between themselves, and someone "else".. lets just say it won't be themselves.

[AmericanEmpire]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t suited the Communist gangsters well to put the populace into a state of paranoia and fear.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AmericanEmpire', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t suited the Communist gangsters well to put the populace into a state of paranoia and fear.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I')t's back there somewhere, but I thought another one wouldn't hurt. It's based on my reading of Kunstler's The Long Emergency, why I'm bringing this up again. He pointed out the Coal Gasification worked in Nazi Germany, but only because they had slave labor. The idea is that it wouldn't work in a free society with a market capitalism economic system. So suppose that Kunstler is right, that going back to a coal-based economy would require slave labor. Would that not seem to be how we get out of this mess? So how would it all go down? My guess is that money and indebtedness will be used somehow to get around the ideological problems. The transition would be obscured by symbolism and rhetoric, masking the real situation. Serious social disruption and misery will call for drastic measures, but it will happen by stealth. There is no getting around the fact that we have enjoyed a good ride with all the cheap energy, but that the good times are drawing to an end. The ugly truth will have to be denied, while at the same time, it is dealt with.