[Jack]

This article describes the collapse of global fisheries and efforts to sustain them. It is of interest from two perspectives:

1) Efforts to deal with a scarce resource suggest patterns that will come into play with oil. The efforts are not proving effective.

2) Collapse of fisheries may imply a greater likelihood and severity of subsequent dieoff.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')ut in very blunt terms, the world is running out of fish. According to a study published in July in Science, marine species diversity has declined by 10 to 50 percent in the last half-century, and a 2003 report found that up to 90 percent of the populations of the ocean's major predators are gone. It is the thick-fleshed "major predators" - cod, tuna and Chilean sea bass, to name a few - that humans crave most. And though these collapsed fish stocks are increasingly being replaced on the market by aquacultured product, fish farming is still highly problematic and so far cannot come close to matching what the ocean produces on its own.

[Trindelm]

Peak fish now.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Trindelm', 'P')eak fish now.

[aflurry]

some of the data for this made the paper last year i think.

do you have a link for the article?

[Andrew_S]

Trawlers in Cornwall, England have recently been laid up because of high fuel prices.
BBC article

Good for the fish!
More of this and peak oil might save fish from extinction.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aflurry', 's')ome of the data for this made the paper last year i think.

do you have a link for the article?

[sol]

ROFL

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')rindelm wrote:
Peak fish now.


"Peak Perch"?

"Hubbert's Pike"?

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Trindelm', 'P')eak fish now.

[Omnitir]

Maybe NASA will be able to solve this by setting up fisheries in space? Lunar Cod and Tuna could be caught in the moon’s oceans and beamed to Earth along with all the cheese...
Errr…


Damn it’s hard to stay optimistic sometimes

[rogerhb]

Apologies to Douglas Adams:

So long, and thanks for all the fish - The Human Race

[nero]

It's really a tragedy that we are stripping the oceans of all that productive potential. Millions may starve because we are such fools. I guess I'm not tough enough, but this black humour turns my stomach. It's like making jokes about starving Ethiopians. Perhaps one day someone who has experienced hunger because of our recklessness will have the right to make jokes but we don't.

[Omnitir]

Honestly, it’s heartbreaking. But sometimes all you can do is laugh.

[SinisterBlueCat]

well, hell, we deserve to run out of everything. We are so wasteful, especially here in the US. Last week, I was in Crown Point IND and I stayed at a Radisson. In the morning I went down to breakfast, but I just missed the bufffet. Since it they had not removed the food yet, I asked if they would allow me to quickly get a breakfast from it. Nope. Ok, fine, so I ordered breakfast.

10 minutes later, a lady comes out and starts removing the food. I could tell by the way she was stacking the pans, that all of the food would be tossed. But I had to ask her anyway.

Yep, she said...all of it into the garbage! Because the hotel is going through renovations, there was hardly anyone in the eatery, so she was throwing away TONS of food. A full pan each of eggs, sausage, bacon and biscuits. Not to mention a huge bowl of water melon and other fruits.

It was sickening. Chatting with the lady cleaning up, she said the worst part is they do this every day of every week. Thousands of pounds of food weekly get discarded, and the hotel will not even let employees take any of it home.

It is disgusting!!

How did we get here?

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nero', 'I')t's like making jokes about starving Ethiopians.

[NEOPO]

peak fish - yeah that really sucks.

Ahhhhhh a brit transplant - now EVERYTHING makes sense!!

[Omnitir]

I went down to the bay recently for an afternoon of recreational fishing off the pier. I was there for several hours, along with about a dozen other people, just fishing with rods for the pleasure of it, not overly concerned with trying to bring home a large catch (which is difficult these days anyway). At one point a couple of Asian men came down with a large net set-up, and proceeded to cast and re-cast off the pier, each time bringing up a considerable number of small fish. What really shit me was that these men were keeping EVERYTHING they caught with the net. From useless little baitfish to undersized juvenile eating fish, these guys would put everything they brought up into their buckets and then recast. It was disgusting to watch. Not only is it completely illegal, but also it’s devastating to the local environment. And this is just a bunch of recreational fishermen. I hate to think of the damage commercial deep-see netting is doing.

Anyway, it just goes to show the mentality of some people. “Stuff the environment and everyone else, I’m taking as much as I can get”. It’s sickening.

And what really sucks, if the SHTF, the locals like myself won’t be able to survive by catching fish, because the area has been overfished by those looking to make a profit.

But then again, maybe if the commercial fisheries all go bust, the recreational fisheries might rejuvenate? Here’s hoping.

[aflurry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nero', 'I')t's really a tragedy that we are stripping the oceans of all that productive potential. Millions may starve because we are such fools. I guess I'm not tough enough, but this black humour turns my stomach. It's like making jokes about starving Ethiopians. Perhaps one day someone who has experienced hunger because of our recklessness will have the right to make jokes but we don't.

[holmes]

The survival of the world depends upon our sharing what we have and working together. if we don't, the whole world will die. First the planet, and next the people.
-Fools Crow, Ceremonial Chief of the Teton Sioux

"The elders were wise. They knew that man's heart, away from nature, becomes hard; they knew that lack of respect for growing, living things, soon led to lack of respect for humans, too."
Yes we have now exploited every last corner of the earth. there is no mystery or sacred places. nothing is sacred except profits.

yup just by reading many posts on this site written by the clones. It will be a bloody COLLAPSE. Shove your NUMBERS up ur asses. I have these visions of clones furiously typing numbers on their keyboards, lights cutting out, power of and on, killing outside, Millions coming in over the border, by boat, by plane, gas being cyphoned from parked cars, the back side of the curves filthy pollution(ya know them tar shale whatevers scraping the bottom of the barrel, etc..) saying its all just fine. The fisheries are already down. yeah its just so smooth. LOL. Now This is dark humor. I am laughing my ass off , really. Your right got to laugh. many joksters and what else is there to do? LOL get them nukes going drop off byproducts on other towns.

[aflurry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'y')up just by reading many posts on this site written by the clones. It will be a bloody COLLAPSE. Shove your NUMBERS up ur asses. I have these visions of clones furiously typing numbers on their keyboards, lights cutting out, power of and on, killing outside, Millions coming in over the border, by boat, by plane, gas being cyphoned from parked cars, the back side of the curves filthy pollution(ya know them tar shale whatevers scraping the bottom of the barrel, etc..) saying its all just fine. The fisheries are already down. yeah its just so smooth. LOL. Now This is dark humor. I am laughing my ass off , really. Your right got to laugh. many joksters and what else is there to do? LOL get them nukes going drop off byproducts on other towns.

[holmes]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aflurry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'y')up just by reading many posts on this site written by the clones. It will be a bloody COLLAPSE. Shove your NUMBERS up ur asses. I have these visions of clones furiously typing numbers on their keyboards, lights cutting out, power of and on, killing outside, Millions coming in over the border, by boat, by plane, gas being cyphoned from parked cars, the back side of the curves filthy pollution(ya know them tar shale whatevers scraping the bottom of the barrel, etc..) saying its all just fine. The fisheries are already down. yeah its just so smooth. LOL. Now This is dark humor. I am laughing my ass off , really. Your right got to laugh. many joksters and what else is there to do? LOL get them nukes going drop off byproducts on other towns.