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Incredible statistic

Unread postby rogerhb » Fri 21 Oct 2005, 19:12:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Counterpunch', '[')This] administration in only four years has added twice as much debt to the nation's books as were run up in its first two hundred years COMBINED.


Cool. Reckon your grandchildren are going to be wealthy?
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Re: Incredible statistic

Unread postby holmes » Fri 21 Oct 2005, 19:25:29

8O it will be a 3rd world nation soon enough. Man I still cant get over how much we squandered in such a short time. Mind boggling.
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Re: Incredible statistic

Unread postby LadyRuby » Fri 21 Oct 2005, 22:19:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', '8')O it will be a 3rd world nation soon enough. Man I still cant get over how much we squandered in such a short time. Mind boggling.


This is what happens when you wage unwinnable wars and try to also cut taxes at the same time. Throw in a few natural disasters, etc. and there goes the budget.
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Re: Incredible statistic

Unread postby FireJack » Fri 21 Oct 2005, 22:55:29

It makes me really wonder if the bush administration is really convinced the world is going to end soon and it doesn't matter. Or have people really become that shortsited? I don't understand how they could be so stupid. Ow well, I guess all I can do is prepare. Other people can shoot themselves in the foot all they like.
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Re: Incredible statistic

Unread postby Cool Hand Linc » Sat 22 Oct 2005, 00:29:30

Is this the exponential function in action? :cry:

All the government needs to do is to take all the silver, gold and jewels from everybody giving them pennies on the dollar. Then re-value the silver, gold and jewels and sale them on the open market. 8O

That could cut that big old debt in half! 8O

There is light at the end of the tunnel.............
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Re: Incredible statistic

Unread postby jaws » Sat 22 Oct 2005, 00:38:53

And every time the Fed hikes interest rates the servicing cost on the debt increases, so that means they have no choice but to hyperinflate. Hahahaha.
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Re: Incredible statistic

Unread postby Heineken » Sat 22 Oct 2005, 09:06:19

The national debt is now about $8 trillion, I believe. It can and will never be repaid, so consider how that fact will ultimately work itself out.
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Re: Incredible statistic

Unread postby falser » Sat 22 Oct 2005, 09:29:30

I wouldn't worry. I'm sure George Bush has a plan. And we all know how well his plans work out. I absolutely love how supporters use the "debt as percentage of GDP" argument to say that things are all fine. Yet they completely ignore where current GDP growth is coming from and where it's going to come from in the future.
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Re: Incredible statistic

Unread postby peaker_2005 » Sat 22 Oct 2005, 09:31:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'T')he national debt is now about $8 trillion, I believe. It can and will never be repaid, so consider how that fact will ultimately work itself out.


Oh, teh joys of stagflation!

Gee, how ub3r!

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Re: Incredible statistic

Unread postby TnAndy » Sat 22 Oct 2005, 15:18:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cool Hand Linc', '
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All the government needs to do is to take all the silver, gold and jewels from everybody giving them pennies on the dollar. Then re-value the silver, gold and jewels and sale them on the open market.




Nah...THEY'D never do that......

Oh....wait a minute.....isn't that a move out of the FDR playbook ??


Of course, since FDR fooled folks LAST time into being good little citizens and turning in their gold, I suspect it's gonna be a bit harder the NEXT time around.
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Re: Incredible statistic

Unread postby DesertBear2 » Sun 23 Oct 2005, 18:58:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'T')he national debt is now about $8 trillion, I believe. It can and will never be repaid, so consider how that fact will ultimately work itself out.


If you figure that $8 trillion is 80% of the $10 trillion dollar GDP, it's manageable at an interest rate of 4% or $400 billion in interest payments per year. Japan is over 100% as are a number of other industialized nations.

It's probably more worrisome when you examine what we are spending it all on. And not spending it on.

Gonna be a rough retirement for the baby boomers. And all those military toys are largely a black hole....besides when has cold war military hardware ever presented a problem to OsamaInc?
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Re: Incredible statistic

Unread postby fossilnut2 » Sun 23 Oct 2005, 19:45:39

This is clock you won't want to watch:

http://www.toptips.com/debtclock.html

and this is under Republicans? 8O

Iraq is too expensive a hobby for our tastes but you Americans must just love the place.

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Re: Incredible statistic

Unread postby pup55 » Mon 24 Oct 2005, 08:55:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'it's manageable at an interest rate of 4% or $400 billion in interest payments per year.')

Yep, that's right.

We would have to raise taxes to make revenues exceed expenses by $400 so we would have this around to pay off the debt.

Currently, expenses exceed revenues by about $400B. So, we would have to in essence come up with $800B to pay this off.

Personal income tax revenues are around $800B/y so this in essence means that all they would have to do is double the tax rate and the debt would be paid off, per your plan.
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Re: Incredible statistic

Unread postby Heineken » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 09:03:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesertBear2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'T')he national debt is now about $8 trillion, I believe. It can and will never be repaid, so consider how that fact will ultimately work itself out.


If you figure that $8 trillion is 80% of the $10 trillion dollar GDP, it's manageable at an interest rate of 4% or $400 billion in interest payments per year. Japan is over 100% as are a number of other industialized nations.

It's probably more worrisome when you examine what we are spending it all on. And not spending it on.

Gonna be a rough retirement for the baby boomers. And all those military toys are largely a black hole....besides when has cold war military hardware ever presented a problem to OsamaInc?


I disagree with your basic premise, because interest rates will not long remain at 4% if the $8 trillion principal is never repaid. Ultimately you have to repay the principal or at least start paying it down. Instead, we add to it at the rate of millions of dollars an hour.
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Re: Incredible statistic

Unread postby duke3522 » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 12:29:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'T')he national debt is now about $8 trillion, I believe. It can and will never be repaid, so consider how that fact will ultimately work itself out.


And this doesn't included the off the book debts. Such as the money owed to the SS trust fund, the under funded federal pension liabilities, and the fact that the feds will soon be on the hook for a whole bunch of broken pension plans.

US Fed debt is a minimum of $15 trillion and rising.
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Re: Incredible statistic

Unread postby Clouseau2 » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 16:53:11

Any tax increases will just be absorbed with greater spending. Republicans are drunk with power & spending. What we need is a Democratic Congress and Republican President, or vice versa, or a Democratic Congress and a Clinton-clone.
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Re: Incredible statistic

Unread postby rogerhb » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 16:56:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Clouseau2', 'A')ny tax increases will just be absorbed with greater spending. Republicans are drunk with power & spending. What we need is a Democratic Congress and Republican President, or vice versa, or a Democratic Congress and a Clinton-clone.


Here's an idea, why not play the whole thing out and show what a spoilt brat Bush Minor is? His Dad only had one term, let him run next to pick up all the pieces.

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Re: Incredible statistic

Unread postby Clouseau2 » Thu 27 Oct 2005, 18:55:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Clouseau2', 'A')ny tax increases will just be absorbed with greater spending. Republicans are drunk with power & spending. What we need is a Democratic Congress and Republican President, or vice versa, or a Democratic Congress and a Clinton-clone.


Here's an idea, why not play the whole thing out and show what a spoilt brat Bush Minor is? His Dad only had one term, let him run next to pick up all the pieces.

As Dick Emery used to say "Dad, I think I got it wrong again!"


Great plan when you're sitting in New Zealand, Bush *probably* won't invade there ...

For those of us unfortunate souls who actually live in America, not such a great plan.
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Re: Incredible statistic

Unread postby Seadragon » Fri 28 Oct 2005, 08:24:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('duke3522', '
')And this doesn't included the off the book debts. Such as the money owed to the SS trust fund, the under funded federal pension liabilities, and the fact that the feds will soon be on the hook for a whole bunch of broken pension plans.

US Fed debt is a minimum of $15 trillion and rising.


Actually, you're understating the unfunded liabilities that have been promised to the American people...Medicare and Social Security alone will amount to roughly $74 trillion, so the current deficit spending is just a drop in the bucket. No one really wants to talk about it, because the numbers are so huge and of course older people vote more than any other group, so good luck imposing cuts on these programs. 8O
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Re: Incredible statistic

Unread postby Heineken » Fri 28 Oct 2005, 10:07:34

I predict that the future America, or what's left of it, will collectively vilify Bush and the current GOP bunch. The damage they've done across the board is breathtaking and---more important---irreparable. But they hold all the power now---Congress, White House, State Houses, Supreme Court, and Media. Ironically, the only hope left now is the American Sheeple. (Reminds me of the recurrent line in "1984": "If there is any hope, it lies with the proles.")
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