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Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby clv101 » Fri 21 Oct 2005, 17:57:55

Petroleum Review have produced a report (available from the Oil Depletion Analysis Centre here) looking at the annual and quarterly production from publicly quoted oil companies. Their study looks at the average daily extraction rates for oil and gas from the top 22 publicly quoted oil companies from 2002 up to the second quarter 2005.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Q')uite remarkably, in the first half of 2005 the top five, the top ten and the top 22 publicly quoted oil companies all produced less crude and NGLs than they did in 2004 and only slightly more than they did in 2003 and 2002.

Given the global increase in production and demand over the last three years it is clear that, in aggregate, the largest private oil companies are losing market share. For ten of the top 22 companies, and for four out of the five largest private companies, the first half of 2005 saw lower crude and NGLs production than in 2004.

Ten companies also produced less in first half 2005 than they did in 2003, while nine companies produced less than in 2002. Clearly, it is no exaggeration to say that the world’s largest publicly quoted oil companies are now really struggling to hold production levels, with only a few managing to maintain their market share of global production.


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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby seldom_seen » Fri 21 Oct 2005, 18:00:11

wow, nice find. thanks for sharing.
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby rogerhb » Fri 21 Oct 2005, 18:01:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')en companies also produced less in first half 2005 than they did in 2003, while nine companies produced less than in 2002.


Yeah, I'm sure there is a technical term for producing less than you did previously. :roll:
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby OilsNotWell » Fri 21 Oct 2005, 18:07:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hese news stories were backed up by analysis of quarterly reports from the organisations by Peakoil.com member, Ladyruby. It really looked like the oil majors had peaked


Kudos to LadyRuby!
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby MattSavinar » Fri 21 Oct 2005, 20:09:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilsNotWell', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hese news stories were backed up by analysis of quarterly reports from the organisations by Peakoil.com member, Ladyruby. It really looked like the oil majors had peaked


Kudos to LadyRuby!


Yes, LadyRuby's research was quite impressive. I attempted to duplicate it by doing as she advised and going directly to the quarterly reports but simply have not had the time.

If Lady Ruby or somebody else could provide links to the exact reports for each stat, I would gladly compensate them monetarily for the time and effort.

Whoever's interested, just PM me.

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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby LadyRuby » Fri 21 Oct 2005, 21:45:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilsNotWell', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hese news stories were backed up by analysis of quarterly reports from the organisations by Peakoil.com member, Ladyruby. It really looked like the oil majors had peaked


Kudos to LadyRuby!


Yes, LadyRuby's research was quite impressive. I attempted to duplicate it by doing as she advised and going directly to the quarterly reports but simply have not had the time.

If Lady Ruby or somebody else could provide links to the exact reports for each stat, I would gladly compensate them monetarily for the time and effort.

Whoever's interested, just PM me.

Best,

Matt


Thanks Oilsnotwell and Matt! Another thing that I thought was important about the data is that while production has fallen (for Chevron it's fallen steadily for at least the last four years), the price of oil has risen quite a bit as we all know. Just demonstrates that throwing money at it doesn't automatically result in more oil. Matt, I'll PM you to get a better idea of what you're looking for.
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby Revi » Fri 21 Oct 2005, 22:56:06

Aren't we fed by these major oil companies? Is this similar to the peak of Russian production in that all of us living in the US are now definitely past the peak, even if the rest of the world isn't? Does this signal the beginning of post peak times for us? I'm buying more wooly socks!
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby fossilnut2 » Sat 22 Oct 2005, 01:09:39

I suppose one could read anything they want into it. Oil production is more diversified... or major oil companies are more into the building of oilfield infrastructure in Russia, etc. but don't own or sell the oil produced... or government-run corporations in some countries are more involved than in the past in production... or companies don't work some fields not because of supply but because of cost, etc.

What counts at the end of the day is how much oil is coming on the market and being consumed.
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby Pops » Sat 22 Oct 2005, 08:12:50

It’s a funny thing about them using the term market share. It kind of implies that if they just could get consumers to believe their oil was new and improved, with a fresh clean scent, then demand for their product would rise and so would their production.


I’m not as sanguine as fossil is about where oil comes from tho. You can usually rely on a corporation to try to keep the market supplied, that’s what they are there for, not so governments.
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby BabyPeanut » Sat 22 Oct 2005, 09:13:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clv101', '[')url=http://www.vitaltrivia.co.uk/2005/10/35]Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies[/url]

excerpt:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', ' 2nd QTR 2nd QTR
2004 2005
Total Top Five 10,935.1 10,708.9
Total Top Ten 14,718.7 14,463.9
Total Top 22 16,909.6 16,717.3')
Looks like 2004 will be a peak year.
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby peaker_2005 » Sat 22 Oct 2005, 09:19:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BabyPeanut', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clv101', '[')url=http://www.vitaltrivia.co.uk/2005/10/35]Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies[/url]

excerpt:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', ' 2nd QTR 2nd QTR
2004 2005
Total Top Five 10,935.1 10,708.9
Total Top Ten 14,718.7 14,463.9
Total Top 22 16,909.6 16,717.3')
Looks like 2004 will be a peak year.


If I recall correctly, the ASPO's prediction for non-OPEC peak was 2004.

Looks like they were right on the money... :cry:
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby Pops » Sat 22 Oct 2005, 09:30:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'Y')ou can usually rely on a corporation to try to keep the market supplied, that’s what they are there for, not so governments.


I guess I should have said, "You can usually rely on a corporation to try to keep the market supplied, thereby making money since that’s what they are there for; not so governments.
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby rockdoc123 » Sat 22 Oct 2005, 11:05:12

I am not entirely convinced by this comparison. Quaterly production comparisons are a snapshot. There are a host of reasons why production might be down in a certain quarter which do not signal anything dire...eg: workovers on wells to remove scale, reperforate; shutdown to upgrade plants and other facilities; temporary shutdown to tie in extra capacity are a few. I think to look at this properly you need to take apart each annual report...remove sold assets, add new assets on production, realize what was shutin during what period for what reason.
I'm not saying the production rates haven't dropped, I don't know....it's just that this sort of a comparison is not total proof of that.
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby LadyRuby » Sat 22 Oct 2005, 11:23:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', 'I') am not entirely convinced by this comparison. Quaterly production comparisons are a snapshot. There are a host of reasons why production might be down in a certain quarter which do not signal anything dire...eg: workovers on wells to remove scale, reperforate; shutdown to upgrade plants and other facilities; temporary shutdown to tie in extra capacity are a few. I think to look at this properly you need to take apart each annual report...remove sold assets, add new assets on production, realize what was shutin during what period for what reason.
I'm not saying the production rates haven't dropped, I don't know....it's just that this sort of a comparison is not total proof of that.


True but for some companies we're not just talking about quarterly production declining for one quarter. Here's Chevron's production data for the last several years for million barrels/day produced. See any trends?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', '2Q05 1,649
1Q05 1,647
4Q04 1,656
3Q04 1,678
2Q04 1,749
1Q04 1,756
4Q03 1,803
3Q03 1,776
2Q03 1,829
1Q03 1,823
4Q02 1,844
3Q02 1,848
2Q02 1,920
1Q02 1,975
4Q01 2,014
4Q00 2,020 ')
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby fossilnut2 » Sat 22 Oct 2005, 11:26:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'Y')ou can usually rely on a corporation to try to keep the market supplied, that’s what they are there for, not so governments.


I guess I should have said, "You can usually rely on a corporation to try to keep the market supplied, thereby making money since that’s what they are there for; not so governments.


I agree except the goal of a corporations isn't to keep 'a market' supplied but to make money. 'The market' doesn't have to be producing a barrel of oil to sell on the market but the market can be developing infrastructure for others, selling production capacity, etc.

Ford and GM don't attempt to make vehicles for the entire market. There is too much competion in Korea, Japan,etc. Ford and GM will concentrate production on those vehicles and geographic regions where they can make a profit. Also put resources into vehicle servicing, financial credit services, etc. (I don't know if it's stil the case but in the 80's GM made more profit off of GMC finanace than new car sales.)

The same pattern has emerged with companies like IBM etc. IBM makes less computers but that's because that's no longer their market niche.
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby rockdoc123 » Sat 22 Oct 2005, 13:19:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ere's Chevron's production data for the last several years for million barrels/day produced. See any trends?


I assume this is just oil or does it include condensate? Also it would be interesting to look at boe/d which includes all liquids and gas. The reason for this is that oil production decreasing at some companies may be also indicating a shift in strategy....from oily to gassy. This is quite common in the large companies .....their production is large to begin with...to show reserves replacement (required by the investment community) is difficult in oil simply because the targets are smaller...it is easier to do with gas if you are in the right place (i.e. close to market or access to LNG markets). Somewhere in that period Chevron unloaded a bunch of properties that belonged to the various entities prior to all of the mergers....any idea from the annual reports when that happened and how that affected the year to year rates?

So I guess what I am saying for this to be a proxy for declining global oil supply it has to be demonstrated that it isn't necessarily a shift in corporate strategy. The individual companies don't actually care if they are producing more oil or more gas....they just look at the bottom line of delivering cash flow/share performance and continued dividends.
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby LadyRuby » Sat 22 Oct 2005, 13:39:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', 'I') assume this is just oil or does it include condensate? ...So I guess what I am saying for this to be a proxy for declining global oil supply it has to be demonstrated that it isn't necessarily a shift in corporate strategy. The individual companies don't actually care if they are producing more oil or more gas....they just look at the bottom line of delivering cash flow/share performance and continued dividends.


The numbers I gave are "Net Liquids Production." The quarterly reports also provide data on "Net Natural Gas Production." I'm not going to look at all the natural gas production data, but in the year 2000 natural gas production averaged 4,466 MMCF/D, while in the first half of 2005 it was 3,764 MMCF/D, about 16 percent less.

Sure that makes sense, if it costs too much to try to get more oil or gas, then they are better off producing less, right? Anyway, this is just for one company so it obviously doesn't mean global oil production has peaked. What I think it does show is that despite much higher oil prices they produced less oil. If it had been easy/profitable to produce more oil why wouldn't they? The obvious answer is that it just isn't that easy (these days), even for a big global company like Chevron.
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby sameu » Sat 22 Oct 2005, 15:13:08

it sure would be a viable reason for the rising oil prices

today I've read in a Belgian newspaper something like 'hooray, oil prices went below 60$' and an 'expert' stated that this was the evidence that the only reason for high oil prices is due to speculation :roll:
It's funny how some people really don't have a clue of what's going on
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby BabyPeanut » Sat 22 Oct 2005, 20:10:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2005/10/22/16565/298]Image
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Re: Extraction Rates Fall At Major Oil Companies

Postby LadyRuby » Sat 22 Oct 2005, 22:17:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BabyPeanut', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2005/10/22/16565/298]Image
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That's a nice figure! The only one who looks like they are keeping up is BP. I wonder how much of BP's increase is from their 2003 purchase of TNK in Russia.
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