[fossil_fuel]

WTF is this! Due to the realID act, the feds are working with state DMVs to create an online database of everybody's drivers license. This is a serious violation of privacy and is probably going to lead to massive amounts of identity theft. See it here to search for yourself.

[k_semler]

"There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."
--President James Madison

"Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are vbeneficient...The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding."
-- Louis Brandeis, Supreme Court Justice from 1916-1939

"If once the people become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors, shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature, in spite of individual exceptions."
--Thomas Jefferson

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves"
--William Pitt, 1783

"The fact is that the average man's love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth. He is not actually happy when free; he is uncomfortable, a bit alarmed, and intolerably lonely. Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty, and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies."
--H.L. Menckin, 12 Feburary 1923, (BALTIMORE EVENING SUN)

"Liberty has never come from government. Liberty has always come from the subjects of government. The history of liberty is a history of resistance. The history of liberty is a history of limitations of government power, not the increase of it."
--Woodrow Wilson

[Doly]

Great quotes.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '4')6.60730522N, 117.23362596W

[gnm]

The feds do have a centralized database of drivers licenses, why else did you have to supply an ssn to get your license eh? So it is already a defacto national id card.

That website is a joke/fraud site however..

-G

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'T')he feds do have a centralized database of drivers licenses, why else did you have to supply an ssn to get your license eh? So it is already a defacto national id card.

That website is a joke/fraud site however..

-G

[k_semler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'T')he feds do have a centralized database of drivers licenses, why else did you have to supply an ssn to get your license eh? So it is already a defacto national id card.

That website is a joke/fraud site however..

-G

[holmes]

Its a gag. Up vcomes a monkey face. LOL.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'I')ts a gag. Up vcomes a monkey face. LOL.

[k_semler]

Nope, I don't know how to ride a unicycle. It would be kind of cool though.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', ':')lol: Nope, I don't know how to ride a unicycle. It would be kind of cool though.

[seahorse]

I've never understood why people interpret the 4th Amendment as protecting information on something like a driver's license, which is already public information anyway.

This idea that the right of privacy extends beyond the protection of the home from search and seizure, and also protects personal information, which is already public, from being shared between different public data systems, is to imply a right of privacy not explicitly stated.

People who take this position have to understand that they believe in "implied" Constitutional rights. To argue that the 4th Amendment contains such a right of privacy is to "imply" a right of privacy that is not explicitly there, and thus, by extension, means the Supreme Court was correct in implying a right of privacy for Roe vs Wade. Interesting - this idea of implied rights. This is not a "strict constructionist" view of the Constitution. This is okay, but you have to be willing to imply rights to other Constitional Amendments as well.