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Peak oil is already here. It's just not evenly distributed.

General discussions of the systemic, societal and civilisational effects of depletion.

Re: Peak oil is already here. It's just not evenly distribut

Unread postby Antimatter » Mon 17 Oct 2005, 07:43:41

Considering world oil production was up 3.7% in 2004 and about 1.5% this year, above the last couple of decade's average, I don't think we can call these countries examples of peak oil hitting. More like wealth being shifted around. ie China grows, poor countries get shafted, especially the ones with fuel price controls and subsidies in place. They are more a "victim" of rapid world demand growth especially from China and the US than peak oil, so far.
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Re: Peak oil is already here. It's just not evenly distribut

Unread postby ubercrap » Mon 17 Oct 2005, 15:17:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('richardmmm', 't')he only reason that oil production has peaked in the US is because the environmentalists and local states stopped companies from drilling.

there is plenty of oil off california, florida, carolina etc etc, just those areas are banned for drilling.



Sounds more like NIMBYism than environmentalism to me. Plenty of offshore drilling on the poor Gulf coast- where are the environmentalists? I doubt U.S. production could ever reach the levels it once was at. I believe we are at less then 1/2 of our peak. Where is your evidence for such an increase?
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Re: Peak oil is already here. It's just not evenly distribut

Unread postby jimmydean » Mon 17 Oct 2005, 15:44:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('richardmmm', 't')he only reason that oil production has peaked in the US is because the environmentalists and local states stopped companies from drilling.

there is plenty of oil off california, florida, carolina etc etc, just those areas are banned for drilling.

they are discovering oil in Australia now, there is the whole shelf north of russia, unexplored parts of canada, there are many places to find oil.

it's not about the quantity of oil, it;s about the amount of facilities to produce the oil which is something totally human and nothing to do with a depleted natural resource.

production and refining capacity has been curtailed due to low prices and a glut of oil in the 90s, a result of the high prices of the 70s / 80s. now we have high prices again, oil will start flowing from all quarters.

in 10 years time the price of oil will be lower than it is today and we'll have another glut again. it's just the inefficiency of a capitalist system.



Actually I think it's simply cheaper to import than potentially waste money developing new sites that may not be profitable long term. Also refining capacity has been increased at existing facilities rather than build new ones ... again it's more cost effective than building new facilities. That said this may make economic sense for the oil industry but it's not strategic in ensuring the country has a reliable supply of oil.

In the end the oil companies are making record profits off the short-fall so what motivation do they have to actually start up new drilling operations? As long as demand is met (ie. buy EU imported oil LOL) there will be no incentive to start new operations unless it's mandated by the new oil bill.
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