[NEOPO]

My gaydar is going off!!!!

[erl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'd')ude, its a fucking joke. Chill out.

[MattSavinar]

MGibbons,

This is why we come to this board: for some good ole fashion hostility. as Erl has displayed. Now watch as I spank him like a red headed step child who refuses to take his behavior modification medication.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('erl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'd')ude, its a fucking joke. Chill out.

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('erl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'd')ude, its a fucking joke. Chill out.

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('erl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'd')ude, its a fucking joke. Chill out.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'N')o FTW = No LATOC
Aaron found out about Peak Oil from my site.

No FTW = No LATOC = No PeakOil.com

I remember at least one of the main folks (if not 2 or 3) at The Oil Drum finding out from LATOC. I think it was Ianqi and Prof G., but can't remember for sure.

No FTW = No LATOC = No TheOilDrum.com

James at Powerswitch.org.uk found out about PO from LATOC.

No FTW = No LATOC = No Powerswitch.org.uk

[Doly]

That's all theoretical. People could have found out about peak oil from other sources. I did.

[perplexd]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat's all theoretical. People could have found out about peak oil from other sources.

[lowem]

Hmm, looks like this thread has not quite made it into the HoF yet eh?

Jay Hanson is the man. Matt's got the linkages right. Jay was the one, too, who started the energyresources discussion group long before we had the nice PHP forum over here at peakoil.com. ER is still going on strong with over 83,000 posts now.

And by the way, the Father of the Internet, as we all know, isn't Matt Savinar, it's Al Gore. No, wait a minute, that's the silly one, the actual guy is Vinton Cerf who invented TCP and IP :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinton_Cerf

[Leanan]

I kind of grew up knowing about peak oil. Many of us who were kids during the '70s oil crisis did. But it was Dieoff.org that reminded me of it.

It was around this time of year, in fact. I remember because at another, completely non-energy related site, we were posting "scary" links, in honor of Halloween. Some of them were meant to be really scary, some were jokes (like that Web site that sells stuffed Cthulhu toys). Someone posted this link:

http://dieoff.org/page224.htm

And said he found it the scariest thing he'd ever see, because he couldn't disprove it.

To this day, that's the link I post to introduce people to peak oil.

As for Ruppert...I agree with BobCousins. Ruppert is a flake. A genuine, card-carrying nutburger who is doing more harm than good to the cause. I really wish they'd left him out of that "End of Suburbia" DVD. I'd show it to my friends if he (and the name of his book) weren't featured so prominently in it.

[erl]

Savinar:

I admit it.

I was wrong to call you a professional.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('erl', 'S')avinar:

I admit it.

I was wrong to call you a professional.

[Whitecrab]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('some_guy282', 'I') remember reading once that Ruppert even had an electro magnetic weapon pointed at the FTW offices. One of those non lethal ones that makes people in the affected areas nautious, have headaches, etc. He called someone (I think it was a city official, but I forget which office) to come over and check it out, and they brought a device that could went completely off the charts inside the FTW offices only. A few days later it stopped just as suddenly as it started. Does anyone have a link on FTW when Ruppert described the incident himself? I'm too lazy to look for it myself.

[bobcousins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Whitecrab', 'T')hat is definately somewhere in Crossing the Rubicon...page 304 in my copy (Chapter 17 - Vreeland II: Silencing Me). Their general manager "had a scientific background and was an amateur hard-rock miner," and his Giger counter read .16-.42 Microsieverts during "the attack" as opposed to the normal .02-.06 for background readings.

[Jake_old]

Have to concur with bobcousins here, the 'science' on this one is particularly dodgy.

The Nazi's experimented with infrasound weapons, something around the 7Hz mark liquified internal organs. (Feel free to tell me if this is also bollox, can't remember where I read it).

I still think Ruppert is a goody. He is understandably paranoid. When he is wrong he's just wrong, nothing more.

If you call that loopy so be it.

[annie]

"FTW was running Peak Oil articles in Fall 2001. That's a year and a half before The Party's Over came out. Two and half before End of Suburbia or LATOC or Peak OIl.com came online. Four years before the NY Times covered it (and they didn't even do that great of a job).

This forum would not exist if it weren't for Mike. Aaron learned Peak Oil from my site and I learned about it from Mike.

You can kiss Mike's ass.

Best,

Matt"

This is exactly when Mike Ruppert posted Dale Allen Pfeiffer's first article. And it was amazing how the site improved after Dale went to work for Mike. Even Mike Ruppert at one time said that Dale Allen Pfeiffer was the best thing that ever happened to FTW besides Mike Ruppert.One thing that lead to Dale leaving was getting tired of kissing Mike's ass. Mike learned everything he spouted about the science of peak oil from Dale. This forum would not have exsisted had it not been for Dale Allen Pfeiffer teaching Mike Ruppert about peak oil. He knew nothing about it before Dale sent him his first article.
Annie

[stu]

Or maybe this forum would have been created by someone apart from Dan and Aaron who learned about Peak Oil from someone else.

This thread gives the impression that it was only ever possible for the information on PO to be communicated from one specific person to another and that's it.

To say that this forum wouldn't have existed because of Savinar or Ruppert or anyone else is garbage. People make it sound like oil would have got to 60$ and no-one would be talking about Peak Oil if it had not been for one guy.

[rogerhb]

I liken it to an incestuous game of chinese whispers.

[annie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stu', 'O')r maybe this forum would have been created by someone apart from Dan and Aaron who learned about Peak Oil from someone else.

This thread gives the impression that it was only ever possible for the information on PO to be communicated from one specific person to another and that's it.

To say that this forum wouldn't have existed because of Savinar or Ruppert or anyone else is garbage. People make it sound like oil would have got to 60$ and no-one would be talking about Peak Oil if it had not been for one guy.

[Bandidoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bobcousins', 'E')specially as that sounds like junk science. Geiger counters detect ionising radiation, i.e from radioactive sources.