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Top 5 Best Things About Peak Oil

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Re: Top 5 Best Things About Peak Oil

Unread postby Dezakin » Wed 05 Oct 2005, 15:04:31

My top pick is

5. Revamping of nuclear power.
4. Development of large rail lines. (possibly with maglev)
3. Development of large coal liquefaction plants.
2. Economies of scale recognized for solar power.
1. Doomers again discredited.
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Re: Top 5 Best Things About Peak Oil

Unread postby holmes » Wed 05 Oct 2005, 15:26:19

The Love Boat and Fantasy Island were a great one two programming punch for ABC in the late seventies and early eighties. At nine folks would tune in for an hour to watch people looking for love board the Pacific Princess with the help of regulars Doc, Julie, Gopher, Isaac the bartender, Captain Stubing and his daughter Vicki. Then at ten they would be transported to Fantasy Island, a resort island where people would arrive not looking for love but looking to have their wildest dreams come true with the help of Mr. Roarke and his diminutive assistant Tattoo. Using powers beyond understanding, Roarke would make their fantasies reality!
With both shows on the same network, on the same night, both produced by Aaron Spelling, both sharing the same audience and similar formats (multiple stories per episode revolving around guest stars), a crossover event was bound to happen.
On November 22, 1980 ABC started the night's programming with a special half hour episode of Fantasy Island. A young girl and her family arrived on the island wanting to deal with the young girl's problem - a slight case of demonic possession! With this single group of guests leaving the plane, Tattoo asked Mr. Roarke where the rest of the guests were. Mr. Roarke explained to Tattoo that the situation with the little girl was so dangerous, he could not risk putting other guests in jeopardy by having them on the island while she was there. Oooooh. Oddly enough, when this episode showed up in syndication where it needed to be a full hour long, more guests were added and present on the island. I guess the little girl wasn't as big a threat in reruns. Roarke probably figured it had turned out okay in the first airing so it would be safe to let more guests on in the repeat.
At the end of the original half hour cut of the show, as the guests left the island, Tattoo announced that he had a fantasy he wanted to come true some day. When Mr. Roarke asked what it was, Tattoo produced a glossy photo of The Pacific Princess Cruise Ship - The Love Boat. Tattoo said he wanted to take a cruise on the Love Boat one day! Mr. Roarke assured Tattoo that someday it might happened. I must say I'm disappointed in Tattoo. He lives on an island where practically anything you can dream can come true and the best fantasy he can muster is to take a cruise? And he dreams of it so much he keeps a glossy photo of the boat itself like other people hold on to photos of movie stars they like? Whoa. Dare to dream bigger little man! But it did serve as a nice transition into the special 90 minute episode of The Love Boat that followed.
There were a number of guests on that episode of The Love Boat needless to say - they had a whole extra half hour to fill! And a special episode of course demanded the presence of - The Village People! Nothing says wholesome high seas romance like an all male gay rock group on a cruis ship! As far as the crossover stunt was concerned though there was only one guest that mattered: a famous actress played by Loni Anderson. Upset with how her fame had disrupted her life, she came on board the ship looking to hide out. The crew tried to get her to give romance a try and in the end she did. But by the end of the show her fame ended up ruining her chance for a lasting relationship with the man she had met. For maybe the first time in the show's history a guest left not only not in love but even more upset than when she arrived! As she left the ship, Captain Stubing's daughter ran up, excitedly telling everyone that the unhappy actress had told her she was going to Fantasy Island! Vicki produced an aerial glossy photo of Fantasy Island to show them all. What is with these glossy photos? Did the actress actually hand Vicki the photo. She seemed pretty pissed off to be distributing promotional material for resorts. Or did Vicki just happen to have this photo? If so, what's up with that? That's even weirder than Tattoo's photo. At least he had his picture because the Love Boat was his fantasy. With Vicki Fantasy Island just came up casually in conversation and, boom, she had the appropriate picture! Does she just walk around with all sorts of random photos so that if someone brings up certain topics she can impress them by providing visual aids?
Anyway, Loni Anderson did head to Fantasy Island still wanting to escape her fame. Mr. Roarke sent her on an adventure down a jungle river. There she met a doctor who worked far from the real world with the local natives. She fell for him, safely knowing that he could have no knowledge of who she was or of her fame. It was her he loved and not her fame. Living in the jungle also forced her to step out of her snooty actress ways: it's hard to stay pompous and arrogant in a humid muddy rain forest! As it turned out though, the man of her dreams did know who she was. Turns out even in the rain forest they did have generators, TVs, VCRs and movie nights! But in the end she realized he did love her for her and not for her fame and they lived happily ever after! Awwww.


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Re: Top 5 Best Things About Peak Oil

Unread postby FatherOfTwo » Wed 05 Oct 2005, 15:50:54

Gee Holmes. Usually I read your over the top tirades, rants and outbursts, not because there is anything useful in them, but because they serve as a good case study of the myopic doomer.

But that last post means you get the Ignore Button. Talk about a waste of bandwidth.

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Re: Top 5 Best Things About Peak Oil

Unread postby holmes » Wed 05 Oct 2005, 16:35:31

Myopic! That I will never agree with! I am not Myopic!
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Re: Top 5 Best Things About Peak Oil

Unread postby kevincarter » Sat 08 Oct 2005, 13:28:58

1 Being able to go to the rationed gas distribution place and scream: I TOLD YOU! I TOLD YOU! I TOLD YOU! To the drivers until I’m exhausted.
2 Joining the protests against government’s policies to tax and plate bicycles. :x
3 Watching millions of people new to the subject surfing this site and asking for advice. We'll be nice, won't we? :-D
4 Organic food and less fat.
5 Folk music or something similar to that back in fashion.
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Re: Top 5 Best Things About Peak Oil

Unread postby maximumheaviosity » Tue 11 Oct 2005, 14:59:07

Get a sense of humor, people.

5. Jet ski idiots sidelined.
4. Dow and Dupont go belly up.
3. Polyester slacks go out of fashion -- forever.
2. Golf assholes search in vain for a new ball.
1. No more packing peanuts.
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Re: Top 5 Best Things About Peak Oil

Unread postby hoplite » Tue 11 Oct 2005, 15:07:54

5. By by Globalisim, hello Socialism
4.by by Walmart; Hello bread ques
3. BY BY vegas, Hello to the "you bet your life lottery"
2. By by celebrities, Hello warlords
1. By by leaf blowers and BEST OF ALL, by by Guatamalan leaf blower operators!
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Re: Top 5 Best Things About Peak Oil

Unread postby romanko » Tue 11 Oct 2005, 16:53:42

1. only real and productive labour will be valued
2. society will no longer support the lazy, the fat, and the stupid
3. the environment will be given a chance to cleanse and heal itself
4. less waste, no sloth, hopefully the end of Jerry-Springer-esque bling-bling culture
5. a chance for traditional values to be reasserted
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Re: Top 5 Best Things About Peak Oil

Unread postby bobcousins » Tue 11 Oct 2005, 19:29:48

1. products will be packed in brown paper bags instead of this insanely impossible to open plastic containers
2. products will be cheaper to repair than buy new
3. imported fruit like bananas will be an exotic treat again
4. it will be nice to cycle on roads
5. return of the telegram STOP
It's all downhill from here
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Re: Top 5 Best Things About Peak Oil

Unread postby Sencha » Tue 11 Oct 2005, 20:59:05

1. Everyone would admit doomers to have been right.

2. Law enforcement will dissolve to the point that you could track down and kill in cold blood anyone that ever sleighted you before the crash without fear of reprucussion.

3. The old world order would end, allowing people like me to create new nations fashioned after ones in videogames. Like Galbadia from FF8.

4. You could probably stand on the sidelines and watch some pretty cool medieval post-crash warfare.

5. No one will wonder why you offed yourself and will secretly wish they had the guts to do the same.

:lol: yep, Best things about P.O.!
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Re: Top 5 Best Things About Peak Oil

Unread postby PrairieMule » Wed 12 Oct 2005, 15:09:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ashurbanipal', 'I') hate to be the party pooper here (not that I've pooped at many parties). But really, I don't think what's coming is going to be good for anyone.

Here's one example of a possible future:

I have a nine year old daughter. Probably the only child I will ever have. She's smart as a whip (I.Q. =164 last time she tested on the Wexsler), full of spunk, loves to entertain people, always smiles, etc. etc. She cries at the possibility that gummy worms won't be around much longer. Her mom and I divorced 3 years ago, and I am now with someone else (as is my ex). Jade (the ex) doesn't really "get" what's going on. I talked to her about Peak Oil, and her response was that she tried to conserve gas any time she could. She hadn't thought about the cost of fuel getting tomatoes to the local store, etc. And she's taken out a pretty massive loan getting a new house in the suburbs.

Now, I'm preparing, as fast and thoroughly as I can. But what if my daughter ends up with Jade amidst the massive social upheaval likely to ensue? What if by chance, I'm simply not able to save her? And how many will experience something of the same bitterness that might befall me? All of us will know people who will die, who will starve to death, and what's worse? All of us will know people who we will refuse help because giving that help will kill us.

The only good thing I can think that will come out of what will be happening over the next decade or two will be that people in America (anyway) will re-learn the fact that they are mortal, that all life comes to an end. And in that realization will come a need to again find God in a non-sectarian, non-religious sense. In that realization, I think, a kind of spirituality that we can now barely comprehend will again take hold, and people will find their souls again. The price for that will, however, take all levity out of the daydreams of the most prepared person, it will destroy all humor about the coming force of history, it will grind to dust the artifice within which we all currently understand ourselves.


Wow, as a father of 2 daughters I know how you feel. Don't be so tough on yourself about protecting your Daughter from the future. I speak on good authority that if TSHF people are capable of amazing things. As my Nam vet/ex navy intelligence buddy tells me Humans have thousands of years of Hardcoded DNA that equips us to survive that lie dormant till the time comes when they are nessesary. As a father, the instinct to protect is the same for me as is it is for you. It's the most powerful instinct a human can have. Look at the Bear, what happens when you mess with mother bears cub? How can a mother bear be so fierce? Does the bear take Karate? Does it have 10,000 rnds or 3 months food hoarded away. To my knowledge no bear has ever graduated from the Navy seals Underwater Demolition school but to fuck with a mother and her cubs(human or bear)is as stupid as scrapping with a Navy seal. I don't know you but Father to Father I have no doubt you will do everything possible and pull off the impossible to take care of your daughter. Don't freak her out by telling her gummy worms are going away. Take her camping, teach her to ride a bike, teach her not to waste.
If you give a man a fish you will have kept him from hunger for a day. If you teach a man to fish he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.
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Re: Top 5 Best Things About Peak Oil

Unread postby legit » Wed 12 Oct 2005, 16:38:37

no mroe condoms!
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Re: Top 5 Best Things About Peak Oil

Unread postby MacG » Wed 12 Oct 2005, 16:45:33

5) No more noise. Quiet cities. Ahhh..!
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1) No more respect for people out of nothing. Awh.. Been going on for some 6000 years? My mistake. Sorry. Forget it.
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Re: Top 5 Best Things About Peak Oil

Unread postby PrairieMule » Wed 12 Oct 2005, 17:15:43

1.No more tolltags
2.No more Truckers throwing urine bottles along the Highway
3.No more Tripe from Access Hollywood
4.No more Reality Shows
5.More personal days
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Re: Top 5 Best Things About Peak Oil

Unread postby SHiFTY » Wed 12 Oct 2005, 17:40:23

Geez, we're not going back to the 1920s people.

Most of our current tech will still be around for a long time yet. All those things about no more TV and bringing back telegrams are not quite realistic.

I think people have a pretty good grasp on some points though.

My top 5:

5) Nuclear & wind power will get popular
4) Fast and furious electric cars
3) High speed trains everywhere
2) Less air and noise pollution
1) Hopefully the end of the individualist, winner takes all greed that has indoctrinated and poisoned western society for the last 25 years.

Those hoping for a return to the land will most likely be disappointed... It's very likely the oil used in agriculture will be prioritised.
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