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What are you?

What's on your mind?
General interest discussions, not necessarily related to depletion.

What political thought do you find yourself to belong?

Democrat
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Republican
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Green Party
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Socialist
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Communism
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Bush Lover
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Total votes : 38

Re: What are you?

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 09 Oct 2005, 07:03:25

Notice in every case it discusses taking from the rich and giving to the poor.
Last time I checked thats called stealing. Course I can see why someone would support these ideals. Its a helluva lot easier to take something from someone else rather then go work for it yourself. Essentially, these political parties support being lazy and at best half assed at what you do.

I simply cannot see how anyone in good faith could support those ideals, or support the belief that we shoudl reward the lowest and slowest of society.

Green party
There are many things that will have to be changed before a truly democratic and Green society can exist but one is the tremendous and unfair gap today between the rich and the poor; in fact even between the very rich and the average person.

Communism
Communism refers to a theoretical system of social organization and a political movement based on common ownership of the means of production. As a political movement, communism seeks to overthrow capitalism through a workers' revolution and establish a classless society.

Socialism
Socialism is an ideology with the core belief that a society should exist in which popular collectives control the means of power, and therefore the means of production. In application, however, the de facto meaning of socialism has changed with time. Although it is a politically loaded term, it remains strongly related to the establishment of an organized working class, created through either revolution or social evolution, with the purpose of building a classless society.
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Re: What are you?

Unread postby Sencha » Sun 09 Oct 2005, 07:05:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') Democrat essnetially holds Communist values so you can cut to the chase and say your a Communist who wants America (As we founded it) to fail miserably. Be proud of who you are.


Nah, the conservatives are taking care of America's miserable failure just fine. I am proud of who I am. I could never be proud of such an exploitive economic system as capitalism. Its turned our culture into a society of id-driven, tactless philistines.
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Re: What are you?

Unread postby whatpeak » Sun 09 Oct 2005, 09:51:29

"Oh, I'm a pedestrian" - Curly of The Three Stooges.

Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk

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Re: What are you?

Unread postby elroy » Sun 09 Oct 2005, 10:19:13

Funny is the average american thinks of Soviet Union dictatorship when you say 'communism'. Maybe we need to come up with a different word to distinguish between soviet 'communism' and the real communism ? Although I don't know the details of the system.
I agree the american center is more like far right compared to our politicians. Some things they do or propose are nothing but unadulturated fascism.
What I am, I don't know. For one thing, I'm against big government, corporate rule and pro wellfare, within good reason. People shouldn't be allowed to leech onto the system like a bunch of vampires, ofcourse. And there's some damned unpractical things that have to be reformed or done away with. Like farming subsidies for farms which produce milk when we already have too much of it, that kinda thing.
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Re: What are you?

Unread postby frankthetank » Sun 09 Oct 2005, 10:41:55

none of the above...i'm all over the map!
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Re: What are you?

Unread postby venky » Sun 09 Oct 2005, 13:13:20

Specop, ofcourse stealing is in anycase wrong , even from the rich to the poor and I am not in support of helping those who are too lazy or unwilling to work. No longer a fan of big government, but I do feel there are certain actions for which one needs the government like defense, regulation of business to prevent unfair monopolies and practices by the corporations.

What you look on as stealing from the rich to the poor I look on as preventing the elite from screwing the masses. I believe that is one of the core beliefs of the liberatarian ideology. I cannot support freedom as it is interpreted now as freedom for the corporates and rich to enrich themselves at the expense of the people. Nor do I agree that the worst off should be left to fend for themselves if they are willing to work.

Not a socialist, but I notice in you left out Market socialism in your list of definitions. Free enterprise for the most, while the government runs the welfare state.
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Re: What are you?

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Mon 10 Oct 2005, 19:16:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'r')eally big government that has its hands in EVERY faucet of life.


So much for the rest of us getting to wash our hands ehh? :-D
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Re: What are you?

Unread postby DerelictOverlord » Tue 11 Oct 2005, 09:15:01

SPG, be easy on spec,
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Re: What are you?

Unread postby evilmonkeyspanker » Tue 11 Oct 2005, 09:22:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', '
')What you look on as stealing from the rich to the poor I look on as preventing the elite from screwing the masses.


This is our current situation
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Re: What are you?

Unread postby Doly » Tue 11 Oct 2005, 11:44:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', 'N')o longer a fan of big government, but I do feel there are certain actions for which one needs the government like defense, regulation of business to prevent unfair monopolies and practices by the corporations.


Defense? It remains to be seen if we wouldn't be better off without an army. At least, we probably wouldn't be getting in conflicts with people in the other end of the world.

As for preventing corporations from doing illegal stuff, all you need is the law, judges and police. You can have all that with a quite small, decentralised government.
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Re: What are you?

Unread postby holmes » Tue 11 Oct 2005, 13:09:27

http://a4a.mahost.org/
http://www.zmag.org/AWatch/awatch.htm
I have always been an independent.
Anarchy is the only platform that is Anti-Consumer, Anti-Corporation and ANTI-WAR. Not perfect by far. But the only one that holds pure responsibility with the people. Problems are weeded out, etc..
There are various types within the scope. the rest of the parties do not solve any problems. they actually keep them going. Anarchy is simplicity. It does not promote complexity. The army is the people. And only defensive never offensive. Besides some firy street protesting they will never invade other countries. If attacked defend within your own homeland. Fiscally responsible 100%.
Its the only one for true anti war.
I do not even glance at the other parties now. Wolves in sheeps clothing.
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Re: What are you?

Unread postby PrairieMule » Tue 11 Oct 2005, 15:11:38

SPOOKY REPUBLICAN BY BIRTH-

My Dad was the only Officer in the Houston Chapter of the Sierra club who voted for Nixon twice. After the folks divorced I went to a lot of Sierra club meetings/outings. Dad used to pick up a lot of Hippie tail back in the 70's at the same time we were passing out anti-regan/James Watts pork barrel flyers.. Very conservative on everything else but hard left on enviroment.

Hard right on Prolife, Progun, Anti Tax, Pro-Bush

Progressve/Left on Enviroment-This is where I do not like Bush.
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Re: What are you?

Unread postby oowolf » Tue 11 Oct 2005, 15:16:21

Hobbesian anarchist-the 'party' of the near-future.
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Re: What are you?

Unread postby venky » Tue 11 Oct 2005, 20:01:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', 'N')o longer a fan of big government, but I do feel there are certain actions for which one needs the government like defense, regulation of business to prevent unfair monopolies and practices by the corporations.


Defense? It remains to be seen if we wouldn't be better off without an army. At least, we probably wouldn't be getting in conflicts with people in the other end of the world.

As for preventing corporations from doing illegal stuff, all you need is the law, judges and police. You can have all that with a quite small, decentralised government.


Perhaps we might be better off if we could achieve universal disarmament, but come on, this is the real world. Ofcourse the danger's of the US's bid for overwhelming superiorty in the world in the military sphere are also clearly seen.

Perhaps your second point might be a better way. In case most governments around the world are in bed with the corporates. Ofcourse since corporates are so huge and powerful in our day and age, I feel you need a fairly powerful government to be able to deal with them. Ofcourse how big is the question.

In any case any form of regulation will be seen as liberalism by the right, who are so afraid of the big government, that they are blind to the threat posed by the big corporations, a few of whom even qualify in the top 10 world economies.

Fifty one of the top 100 economies are corporations. 8O
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Re: What are you?

Unread postby deconstructionist » Wed 12 Oct 2005, 15:50:49

you forgot independent
UNLESS
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Re: What are you?

Unread postby Wednesday » Wed 10 May 2006, 23:38:05

I'm an Artist.

I'll go with Neo-Tribal Anarchist.
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Re: What are you?

Unread postby worrier » Thu 11 May 2006, 01:22:57

other, i.e. the New Zealand Labour Party, a centre-left party that is the current government in New Zealand.
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Re: What are you?

Unread postby Doly » Thu 11 May 2006, 05:53:24

Pragmatic anarchist.
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