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Re: The end of the McMansion?

Unread postby lotrfan55345 » Sun 02 Oct 2005, 22:50:19

My parents are complaing about our $200 airconditioning bill... -_-
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Re: The end of the McMansion?

Unread postby pilferage » Sun 02 Oct 2005, 22:55:51

In MN? :shock:
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Re: The end of the McMansion?

Unread postby rogerhb » Sun 02 Oct 2005, 22:56:20

No A/C
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Re: The end of the McMansion?

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 02 Oct 2005, 22:58:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'I') too hate the ambient light in the city. HATE it. Despise it. Loath it.


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Re: The end of the McMansion?

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Sun 02 Oct 2005, 22:59:11

Real estate ad from the future, 2045:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')UST 90 MILES TO DOWNTOWN!!! - Beautiful 6 BR/4 BTH/3 Lvg Areas in great neighborhood. 4 car garage, one is RV height and 2 boat slips. 2 in-ground pools + onsite chore attendants. Approx. 5,600 SF conditioned, 1.5 acre lot on cul-de-sac.
Great starter home!


Not so outrageous, considering that our home size has roughly tripled over the last half-century.
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Re: The end of the McMansion?

Unread postby jdmartin » Sun 02 Oct 2005, 23:03:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ome homes down here barely have any sheathing at all. No shit.
Sometimes the sealing techniques are so poor, it nullifies an improved R-rating on insulation by having huge air gaps in the envelope. Also, you could fit a 1920s bungalow inside the non-conditioned attics of some of these McMansions.

One of my old architecture professors once said that if you wanted to break into a new house (for whatever reason), you should avoid the front door, because that's the strongest part of the house. Rather, you should walk around to the side, take out a box knife and cut a hole in the vinyl siding & sheathing and just 'walk right in.'
I laughed at the time. Not so much anymore...


True story:

6 years ago I was building a downsized house of 1500sf on 2 acres of land that I owned, with a floor plan designed to be centrally heated by a woodstove. I had top-notch work done (did most of it myself, contracted some out). The guy I hired for sheetrock had come well-referred.

We were talking one day and he was complimenting me on my uses of good materials, extra insulation, etc. He told me that he had been contracted to do sheet rock on a new subdivision that was being built down the road, but that he quit because of shoddy practices. When I inquired what he meant, he gave me the following example: one morning he & his crew arrived to sheetrock this house. When they got to one of the back bedrooms, they found that the insulation contractor hadn't yet insulated one exterior wall. The developer told him there was no time to wait for the insulation contractor to come back, so either hang that sheetrock or don't get paid for this job. So the guy, because he had a crew to pay, ended up sheetrocking one whole exterior wall in a bedroom with no insulation inside it, on a vinyl-sided house.

What's amazing to me is that when I sold that house, no one wanted or cared about the fact that I used upgraded insulation, etc. The same comment I heard over and over was "the houses down the road are $5,000 cheaper", even though they were on 1/3 acre lots and were built like crap. So to some extent, I guess we in America get what we deserve.
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Re: The end of the McMansion?

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Sun 02 Oct 2005, 23:08:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', 'S')o to some extent, I guess we in America get what we deserve.


That's right. It's all about the veneer, baby. Curb appeal is the only thing that matters.

Goes right to the core of our culture, even. Superficiality, image sells. Substance and quality are immaterial and ultimately subordinate to the projection of the 'image', however facetious it may be.
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Re: The end of the McMansion?

Unread postby BabyPeanut » Sun 02 Oct 2005, 23:35:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', 'W')hat's amazing to me is that when I sold that house, no one wanted or cared about the fact that I used upgraded insulation, etc.

Will they still be as foolish after the natural gas crisis this winter?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')ear Gentlemen,

Even before the tragic devastation of the Gulf Coast, low-income residents in our states faced significant increases in energy costs this winter. In this light, and with the added consideration of the hurricanes' impact, we are writing to request additional funding for the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP). We ask that you provide an immediate $1.276 billion in emergency LIHEAP funds in the next available emergency supplemental appropriations bill. These funds are necessary to meet the needs of both newly-displaced evacuees and existing LIHEAP recipients. For Fiscal Year 2006, we would urge that you increase regular LIHEAP funds significantly from current levels. The recent increase in LIHEAP authorization to $5.1B, signed into law last month as part of the Energy Policy Act, provides adequate room for a substantial increase.

The Energy Information Administration (EIA) had projected consumer energy costs would rise by about 20 percent this winter. The EIA has recently updated its figures and is now projecting that costs will be 77 percent higher than last winter. Consequently, our state LIHEAP programs are expecting to see a surge in applications for the program. LIHEAP budgets will be further stretched as we attempt to meet the needs of hurricane evacuees, many of whom lost virtually everything in the storm. Additional funding will allow us to aid these newest residents and those who have traditionally relied on LIHEAP assistance.

Congress must recognize that covering dramatic increases in natural gas and heating oil prices will pose an immense challenge for our citizens as winter arrives. Therefore, we encourage you to give strong consideration to the above requests. Immediate emergency funding, and a significant increase in regular LIHEAP funding for FY 2006, would allow critical energy needs to be addressed before a crisis develops. We also feel strongly that Congress should ensure that these additional funds are distributed to all states based on residents' demonstrated needs.

We appreciate your work and commitment to assisting our neediest families and we urge you to increase funding for LIHEAP.

Thank you for your consideration of this request.

Sincerely,

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Re: The end of the McMansion?

Unread postby jaws » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 00:02:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BabyPeanut', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', 'W')hat's amazing to me is that when I sold that house, no one wanted or cared about the fact that I used upgraded insulation, etc.

Will they still be as foolish after the natural gas crisis this winter?

They don't seem to realize that spending more money isn't going to conjure up more natural gas.
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Re: The end of the McMansion?

Unread postby Specop_007 » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 00:12:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jaws', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BabyPeanut', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', 'W')hat's amazing to me is that when I sold that house, no one wanted or cared about the fact that I used upgraded insulation, etc.

Will they still be as foolish after the natural gas crisis this winter?

They don't seem to realize that spending more money isn't going to conjure up more natural gas.


No, but spending more money (On insulation etc) can cause less NG usage.
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Re: The end of the McMansion?

Unread postby falser » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 00:37:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'J')UST 90 MILES TO DOWNTOWN


I know people who commute farther distances than that (into Washinton DC) in order to buy their dream homes. 2+ hour commutes are not unheard of these days. I just quietly bite my lip.
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Re: The end of the McMansion?

Unread postby joewp » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 00:41:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', 'O')oo, that sucks. There's a farm right behind my moderate sized 8 year old McMansion, and I'm in a fight in my community to keep it, and all our farms as they are. I figure if we can fight the developers for another 3 to 6 months, the high energy costs are going to start a recession and kill the housing market for good.

At least I hope so. :(


How ironic. Does your home sit on former farmland, as well?[/sarcasm]

Smells more like NIMBYism than any real concern for the farmers to me.


Austin, Texas, huh? Your home sits on former desert, what the hell are you talking about? Has the high temp got lower than 100 yet? How do you grow food there?

What makes you think the big rigs can carry petroleum laced food to you?
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Re: The end of the McMansion?

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Re: The end of the McMansion?

Unread postby joewp » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 00:48:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '
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Yeah, it's the right thing to do. I won't argue with that. I might opt for not disclosing that one also owns a McMansion, though.

How does that song go again? Accentuate the positive, ... :o


What do you own, if anything? The Bush administration tries to accentuate the positive. Real people deal with the situation at hand.
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Re: The end of the McMansion?

Unread postby VMA131Marine » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 00:54:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', '$')100,000/year is not really that much money, at least on the US side of the border. Assuming both parents work, that's $50,000/year each. Certainly comfortable (unless you live in a big city like NY), but not independently wealthy.


According to the US census bureau, in 2004 the US median household income was $44,389. That means the income in 50% of US households was less than that amount. $100,000/year, even as a family income, easily lies within the top 10% of annual incomes. It may not be a lot of money, but it does serve to indicate how poorly the 90% of households earning less than that amount are doing.
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Re: The end of the McMansion?

Unread postby evilmonkeyspanker » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 01:02:09

$100,000 a year not much money eh?

wow, must be nice to be you

I live on less than $20,000

I am a student who the government says makes to much money for financial aid.
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Re: The end of the McMansion?

Unread postby Specop_007 » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 01:16:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMA131Marine', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', '$')100,000/year is not really that much money, at least on the US side of the border. Assuming both parents work, that's $50,000/year each. Certainly comfortable (unless you live in a big city like NY), but not independently wealthy.


According to the US census bureau, in 2004 the US median household income was $44,389. That means the income in 50% of US households was less than that amount. $100,000/year, even as a family income, easily lies within the top 10% of annual incomes. It may not be a lot of money, but it does serve to indicate how poorly the 90% of households earning less than that amount are doing.


No kiddin. I'd love to have my household make $100k a year. 8O
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Re: The end of the McMansion?

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 02:01:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', 'O')oo, that sucks. There's a farm right behind my moderate sized 8 year old McMansion, and I'm in a fight in my community to keep it, and all our farms as they are. I figure if we can fight the developers for another 3 to 6 months, the high energy costs are going to start a recession and kill the housing market for good.

At least I hope so. :(


How ironic. Does your home sit on former farmland, as well?[/sarcasm]

Smells more like NIMBYism than any real concern for the farmers to me.


Austin, Texas, huh? Your home sits on former desert, what the hell are you talking about? Has the high temp got lower than 100 yet? How do you grow food there?

What makes you think the big rigs can carry petroleum laced food to you?


Austin is not considered 'desert', contrary to what they apparently teach you in NJ. We may not get 60 inches of rain a year, but we're no Phoenix or Los Angeles, either.

Anyways, the sustainability of where I live isn't on trial here.
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Re: The end of the McMansion?

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 02:12:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '
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Yeah, it's the right thing to do. I won't argue with that. I might opt for not disclosing that one also owns a McMansion, though.

How does that song go again? Accentuate the positive, ... :o


What do you own, if anything? The Bush administration tries to accentuate the positive. Real people deal with the situation at hand.


Hey, I applaud you for striving to keep your adjacent farmland from becoming more urban sprawl. I hope you win. I'm just saying that when you claim that you also have a McMansion, albeit older (and presumably smaller), it does your cause no good. It's basically saying "I got mine, so screw you" to anyone who wishes to live near your neighborhood. There are measures of 'good' growth that are arguably better than 'no growth', which is apparently what you want.
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Re: The end of the McMansion?

Unread postby linlithgowoil » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 07:39:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')oo, that sucks. There's a farm right behind my moderate sized 8 year old McMansion, and I'm in a fight in my community to keep it, and all our farms as they are. I figure if we can fight the developers for another 3 to 6 months, the high energy costs are going to start a recession and kill the housing market for good.

At least I hope so.


Hmm... so, 'you're all right jack' and screw the rest eh? What a terrible attitude to have. I hope you get surrounded by hundreds of dense packed shanty towns as soon as is possible and that your house is worth ten times less than it is now very soon. :)

What would you have done if your planning permission for your house had been turned down? Bet you would have been going crazy.

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