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Major-project delays to speed up peak?

Unread postby tokyo_to_motueka » Fri 30 Sep 2005, 02:29:35

Project delays 'drive up price' of oil

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')elays of big oil projects are helping to drive oil prices higher as energy companies become increasingly unreliable at delivering production from new oilfields on time, a recent analysts' report has warned.

Oil production in 2007 will be 2m barrels a day less than expected because companies are increasingly having to delay the date at which their projects deliver their first barrels of oil, according to Sanford Bernstein, an international research group.

“The industry is truly dreadful at project management, or at least at predicting the timing of project start-ups. The amount of production growth that has been lost to projects being delayed over the past few years is stunning, over 2m b/d 2.3 per cent of expected global production in 2007,” the report said.

As a result Bernstein believes annual supply growth will slow to 1 per cent in the next decade, compared with the 2 per cent expected by many other analysts including those at the International Energy Agency, the industrialised countries' watchdog agency.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')The problem is caused by companies having to venture into increasingly difficult terrain and use untested technology as the world runs out of big, easy-to-find oilfields.

Meanwhile, new competitors attracted by high oil prices have made hiring exploration rigs increasingly difficult. The project delays are particularly serious in today's tight market conditions where the world's oil producing states are barely managing to keep up with strong demand, especially from the US and China.

Had the 40 large oil projects that Sanford Bernstein studied been delivered on time, the world's spare oil capacity would be double today's volume of 1.3m b/d. “Thus, it could be argued that this effect has been a direct, contributory driver of current oil prices,” Bernstein said.

The longer-term prognosis also looks bad. John S. Herold, the industry consulting and research firm, said in a report released yesterday that worldwide oil reserves had “barely changed in 2004, the poorest performance by the sector in many years”.

Total year-end reserves were up only 2.8 per cent, with companies spending more on share buy-backs than on exploration, said Tom Biracree, vice-president at John S. Herold.
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Re: Sanford Bernstein "Project delays" report in F

Unread postby Liamj » Fri 30 Sep 2005, 03:42:34

Given rates of depletion, doesn't this (megaproj delays) have to have the effect of bringing production peak closer? 8O

Hopefully ODAC will do an update adjusting for these, but if they're too busy beating fools in suits over the head with the previous one, thats fine by me too (suggestion for Chris S. - wrap them in steel plate first).
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Re: Sanford Bernstein "Project delays" report in F

Unread postby Taskforce_Unity » Sat 01 Oct 2005, 05:34:19

This brings the peak around 2 years closer if this trend continues according to my analysis. I added a scenario which incorporates these disruptions/delays, release of my research will probably be somewhere next week (delayed another week, sorry for that but hey i want to do it right :-D)

And don't trust ODAC's analysis too much (nor CERA's), both have some problems establishing depletion and incorporating projects.

ODAC only projects above 100.000 (there are a lot below 100.000). And depletion was estimated based on 1 year change in the BP statistical review, and this was NET depletion over which projects were added.

It gives an indication but is way off the actual situation to my opinion
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Re: Sanford Bernstein "Project delays" report in F

Unread postby tokyo_to_motueka » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 07:00:59

CERA press release, February 15, 2005

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')Although concerns are growing in some quarters that the world is nearing a peak in oil production, after which it will plateau and then decline, in CERA’s view, setting aside above-ground political and security issues, world oil production capacity through 2010 points toward continued growth in both non-OPEC and OPEC liquid production capacity,” Jackson told the briefing.

CERA projects total liquids capacity will rise almost 20% to 101.5 million barrels per day (mbd) by 2010, with approximately equal increases from non-OPEC (+7.6 mbd) and OPEC (+8.9 mbd) countries. Increases are expected in all of the OPEC countries, except Indonesia which will remain flat, with a large proportion of the overall increase coming from major projects in the deepwater areas of Brazil, Nigeria, Angola and the Gulf of Mexico. Other significant contributions are expected from the Caspian region and Canadian Oil Sands, with the rate of liquids capacity decline being arrested in some countries by government initiatives, including new approaches to asset management, new technology, and even surprises with the drillbit.

“To be sure, there are risks to supply growth,” Jackson said, indicating the primary risk is the possibility of delays to major projects at the sanction stage and through construction, as well as the possibility of higher field decline rates in some areas or reductions in resource additions through exploration or field upgrades. “Perhaps the most unpredictable and sensitive factor is evaluating the impact of political events on productive capacity as illustrated currently in Iraq, Venezuela, Nigeria and Russia.” Many of these factors are built in to CERA’s outlook for oil production capacity, he added.

they seem to have ovelooked the risk of climate change delaying projects.
specifically, continuing heightened hurricane activity delaying large and small projects in the GOM.

although the news is focused on lost current GOM production, there is also the impact on exploration and development of new projects.

so if US demand continues to grow, the imported component will rise faster than previously predicted owing to delays in bringing new GOM production on-line.
this will surely reduce spare global capacity and eat into new capacity in a long-term way, even after the hrricane damage is fixed.
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Re: Sanford Bernstein "Project delays" report in F

Unread postby tokyo_to_motueka » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 07:10:46

reuters
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')P Thunder Horse platform update--BP disagrees with OPEC assessment of platform readiness

NEW YORK, Aug 18 (Reuters) - BP Plc on Thursday distanced itself from an estimate by the Organisation of the Petroleum Exporting Countries that its $1 billion Thunder Horse platform in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico would delay inaugural output by six months.

"That information isn't based on information from BP," said spokesman Ronnie Chappell.

BP workers who returned to the platform after being evacuated by Hurricane Dennis last month discovered that the facility was listing at 20 to 30 degrees.

Thunder Horse, one of biggest hopes for a rise in US oil production, had been due to being production sometime in the last three months of 2005.

But Lord John Browne, BP's top executive, said after workers levelled the platform that it was unlikely to come on stream before the end of the year.

In its monthly report on Wednesday, OPEC trimmed its estimate of non-OPEC supply growth in 2006, in part, because of what it said would be a half-year Thunder Horse delay.

The semi-submersible platform, the largest of its kind in the world, is due to produce 250,000 barrels of oil per day at its peak, or about 17 percent of current U.S. crude output from the Gulf of Mexico.

Chappell stopped short of saying the OPEC estimate was wrong, but he said the company wouldn't know the platform's output schedule until the end of its investigation into what caused the tilt.

Chappell said BP would make public Thunder Horse's schedule when its third quarter earnings come out in the end of October.


it will be interesting to see what the impact of all three hurricanes is.
can they name a start date, and when is the "peak production" of 250,000 barrels/day expected?
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Re: Major-project delays to speed up peak?

Unread postby tokyo_to_motueka » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 07:23:58

if existing fields are declining at 3-5%/year,
and new projects are continually delayed for several years,
walking up the down escalator is going to get harder and harder.
more depletion swallowing up new capacity before it even comes on-line.

so my question is:
is PO getting pushed forward by these delays?

(and surely the technical complexity of new projects is also making delays more likely?)

can anyone shed more light on the Sanford Bernstein report, which doesn't seem to be available on their website?

the FT reference is the only one i can find.
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Re: Major-project delays to speed up peak?

Unread postby Taskforce_Unity » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 07:44:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('tokyo_to_motueka', '
')so my question is:
is PO getting pushed forward by these delays?



Yes PO is getting pushed forward by these delays since more and more fields will be depleting as time passes by and more oil needs to come from more and more new projects which appear to be more and more delayed because of complexity :wink:
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Re: Major-project delays to speed up peak?

Unread postby aahala » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 10:06:44

I would think the delay in new resources might, might have the opposite
effect, pushing the PO date farther into the future.

If Alaska oil was shifted in some manner , then I think you could place total domestic oil production peak later than it actually occurred.

Reduced new supplies now means less can be consumed now, but marginally more later. As with all of these discussions, the devil is in
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Re: Major-project delays to speed up peak?

Unread postby Taskforce_Unity » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 11:30:21

Depends on one thing

Do you assume depletion will increase in the future? or stay stable..

I bet for an increase this means earlier peak.

If you bet for a stable depletion amount (like 2 mb/d per year decrease) then it is ofcourse shifted into the future.
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Re: Major-project delays to speed up peak?

Unread postby backstop » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 12:37:01

Taskforce_Unity -

A factor in the date of peak that seems to me central is that of refining capacity. Am I right in thinking that (beside draws for 'strategic reserves')the rate of extraction from oil reserves is utterly limited by refinery capacity?

Given that we're seeing this capacity eroded by sheer age, by the supply of a rising proportion of dirtier crude, and apparently by market pressures to skimp on maintenance, as well as by the rising incidence of very extreme weather events, new refinery build must first offset all these erosions before it can allow increased product supply.

I understand that Saudi funds are aimed at bringing 2.4Mbpd of new refineries online by 2011.

Given calculable reserve depletion between now and 2011, it thus seems likely that we are now at (or a few weeks past) peak oil.

Am I missing something here ?

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Re: Major-project delays to speed up peak?

Unread postby capslock » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 14:10:44

Delay peak? We've already peaked!
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')nder Simmons' pressure, the Saudis have now provided some numbers that showed that Ghawar, the biggest field in the world, is now 48% depleted, and its production (and that of the other big Saudi fields) declining by 5-12% per year.

That was from Le Monde's weekend magazine's article about peak oil.
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Re: Major-project delays to speed up peak?

Unread postby Renfield » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 14:47:26

Forgive me if I'm going over old ground or if I come across as ignorant, I'm not in the oil industry and am new here and relatively new to understanding energy, but wouldn't delays in projects now coupled with refining bottle necks and a probable recession have the effect of flattening out the peak rather than moving it forward? Numbers just came out that show a 3% drop in gasoline demand in the US in September comapred to last year, for example. Also, consumer sentiment is dropping and the Fed says it expects savings rates to start rising again (what other way can you expect them to go when the last savings rate numbers I saw said they were approaching 0%) which, of course, means discretionary spending will fall proportionately. Doesn't this all point to a recession and thus a drop in demand for oil? If demand drops, oil projects are delayed and the oil we do have is slow to be refined I would imagine it would stretch out oil production into a longer, bumpy plateau rather than moving a sharp peak forward. Am I missing something?
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Re: Major-project delays to speed up peak?

Unread postby SHiFTY » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 16:41:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('capslock', 'D')elay peak? We've already peaked!


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')nder Simmons' pressure, the Saudis have now provided some numbers that showed that Ghawar, the biggest field in the world, is now 48% depleted, and its production (and that of the other big Saudi fields) declining by 5-12% per year.


That was from Le Monde's weekend magazine's article about peak oil.


Holy moly 8O

Got any links to back that up????!!!

That deserves a thread all to itself!
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Re: Major-project delays to speed up peak?

Unread postby EnergySpin » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 16:54:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('capslock', 'D')elay peak? We've already peaked!
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')nder Simmons' pressure, the Saudis have now provided some numbers that showed that Ghawar, the biggest field in the world, is now 48% depleted, and its production (and that of the other big Saudi fields) declining by 5-12% per year.

That was from Le Monde's weekend magazine's article about peak oil.

The graph does not prove anything ... they were similar "peaks" in 2002 for example, and the production went up again. What you are seeing there is essentially "noise" in a random process; we could only tell 1 year from now.
The Ghawar data would be interesting if they were available - any links?
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Re: Major-project delays to speed up peak?

Unread postby EnergySpin » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 17:03:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('backstop', 'T')askforce_Unity -

A factor in the date of peak that seems to me central is that of refining capacity. Am I right in thinking that (beside draws for 'strategic reserves')the rate of extraction from oil reserves is utterly limited by refinery capacity?

Given that we're seeing this capacity eroded by sheer age, by the supply of a rising proportion of dirtier crude, and apparently by market pressures to skimp on maintenance, as well as by the rising incidence of very extreme weather events, new refinery build must first offset all these erosions before it can allow increased product supply.

I understand that Saudi funds are aimed at bringing 2.4Mbpd of new refineries online by 2011.

Given calculable reserve depletion between now and 2011, it thus seems likely that we are now at (or a few weeks past) peak oil.

Am I missing something here ?

regards,

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Depends on what you mean by "peak". If your definition of the peak is about geology ... lack of refining capacity would push back the peak ; there is no point in pumping oil if one cannot refine it.
Destruction of oil rigs+refinining capacity kind of complicates the whole picture though. Oil that could be pumped from the ground (and contribute to an early peak) will be left behing. This probably translates to an early plateau. Actually this is a much better outcome .... if production can be sustained for a few years this means more time to adjust.
And there is a chance that a "hydrogen" based economy (hydrogen any combo of ethanol, ammonia, methanol etc) might be built in time to shift the doomerosity level halfway somewhere between 2 and 3 (out of 6)
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Re: Major-project delays to speed up peak?

Unread postby seahorse2 » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 17:37:20

Taskforce,

I continue to follow your modelling the peak in oil production. How do you see the damage from the Gulf to the rigs and platforms effecting your estimated peak in production? I saw an article by Spartacus on the "current events" forum (gulf rig damage) that a BP gas/oil field may not be brought back into production bc it wouldn't be economical. I'm interested in hearing how you feel this will play out.
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Re: Major-project delays to speed up peak?

Unread postby capslock » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 21:32:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergySpin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('capslock', 'D')elay peak? We've already peaked!
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')nder Simmons' pressure, the Saudis have now provided some numbers that showed that Ghawar, the biggest field in the world, is now 48% depleted, and its production (and that of the other big Saudi fields) declining by 5-12% per year.

That was from Le Monde's weekend magazine's article about peak oil.

The graph does not prove anything ... they were similar "peaks" in 2002 for example, and the production went up again. What you are seeing there is essentially "noise" in a random process; we could only tell 1 year from now.

The graph proves that OPEC hasn't exceeded October, 2004. Since these upcoming projects are being delayed, the 2006/2007 peak scenario isn't gonna happen. That leaves Oct, 2004 as peak.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Ghawar data would be interesting if they were available - any links?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/10/1/81515/3020
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Re: Major-project delays to speed up peak?

Unread postby EnergySpin » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 21:37:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('capslock', 'o')ise" in a random process; we could only tell 1 year from now.

The graph proves that OPEC hasn't exceeded October, 2004. Since these upcoming projects are being delayed, the 2006/2007 peak scenario isn't gonna happen. That leaves Oct, 2004 as peak.
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Thnx for the link. But I think I failed to make my other point clear. If you had been looking this graph in January of 2003 (when production was lower compared to the level in October 2002) you would have concluded that peak was 10/02. One year later, production was up again. So the fact that production is lower now compared to 10 months ago cannot be used as evidence that we peaked. If 1 year down the road we are still producing less than 10/04, then this would be a valid inference.
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Re: Major-project delays to speed up peak?

Unread postby capslock » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 22:48:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergySpin', 'T')hnx for the link. But I think I failed to make my other point clear. If you had been looking this graph in January of 2003 (when production was lower compared to the level in October 2002) you would have concluded that peak was 10/02. One year later, production was up again.

But the price of oil wasn't up. The large increase in the price of oil indicates that production is not able to meet demand. OPEC has admitted that their members are all pumping flat out.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o the fact that production is lower now compared to 10 months ago cannot be used as evidence that we peaked. If 1 year down the road we are still producing less than 10/04, then this would be a valid inference.
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After reading the bit about Ghawar being in decline, and seeing how these new projects are being delayed, it is clear to me that we've peaked. Even if OPEC matched or slightly exceeded their October '04 figures, non-opec oil is in enough decline already to make the total less than peak.
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Re: Major-project delays to speed up peak?

Unread postby Cyrus » Mon 03 Oct 2005, 22:54:55

I've stated this fact in the Katrina threads quite a while back..I never got a response.
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