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THE Ford Motor Company Thread (merged)
by BiGG » Mon 16 May 2005, 09:50:41
I really don’t think I am the one missing something here at all as I used to think just like you do after first hearing about oil being at the half way point of “known” reserves. After I started looking around it didn’t take long to see where we are already building a world void of antiquated oil usage whether it’s in decline or not.
Oil is a dirty, filthy pollutant to the extreme causing all kinds of environmental & health problems that man now has the technology for moving away from substantially and wholly soon. It’s just a matter of the logistics involved in the move and that process is happening right now. It will be completed long before this planet sees the end of oil imo.
EROEI is important yes, but EROEI numbers regarding oil are not the only numbers that can be run to achieve the same end result. So your car doesn’t run on antiquated oil anymore, plug the sucker in to a nuclear power plant and you are still getting to work no matter what the EROEI numbers were for oil.
I think you will find answers to the rest of your perceived problems by simply looking around. The most telling thing I see here is very few are talking about any answers at all. Knowledge is power and knowledge this side of doom scenarios is readily available for those looking.
"The Stone Age did not end for lack of stone, and the Oil Age will end long before the world runs out of oil" ............ Former Saudi Arabian oil minister Sheikh Zaki Yamani,
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by BiGG » Mon 16 May 2005, 10:53:47
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')You sound like a proponent of the "new economy" in 1999. Screw all the old, screw calculations, screw everything but faith.
You don't have a scientific background, if I guess correctly? Of course numbers are needed, of course hard data is needed. If anything is to replace oil it's going to be needed on a massive scale. If you (not necessarily you personally, but someone that you can link to) can't show calculations showing how that is going to happen, how much of oil usage that can be switched to ethanol or whatever why should anyone belive you, it's all down to faith at that point.
You are aware that we are using more oil than ever before, right? "Hardly moving away from".
')You sound like a proponent of the "new economy" in 1999. Screw all the old, screw calculations, screw everything but faith.
You don't have a scientific background, if I guess correctly? Of course numbers are needed, of course hard data is needed. If anything is to replace oil it's going to be needed on a massive scale. If you (not necessarily you personally, but someone that you can link to) can't show calculations showing how that is going to happen, how much of oil usage that can be switched to ethanol or whatever why should anyone belive you, it's all down to faith at that point.
You are aware that we are using more oil than ever before, right? "Hardly moving away from".
My main point on all of these boards here is I think most of you are missing some very important points when running your “calculations”. It seems everybody can only add up how much we are using and not add up replacements and how much we can save if we “want” to. I have mentioned this several times where macroeconomics insist we make the move slowly or we will have the crash everyone here is afraid of. Forget about new era fuel replacements right now and start with looking at what we can save …….What about these calculations?
We “have” cars that get 40-60 mpg right now instead of 15 or 20…. Getting switched over to them takes several years but it is coming quickly now and that cuts consumption in in that category by at least half using old technology. All of the alternative fuel cars cut consumption dramatically even more. This alone is gigantic here
Geothermal can save up to 70% of heating air & water and up to 50% for cooling air in homes. Look at the numbers of homes in the United States that could cut huge portions of consumption “calculations” …. This isn’t even showing the zillions of business that could do the same and this is very easy to do. You can have one installed right now by simply having a well drilling machine poke a few shallow holes in your yard …….. look what this alone would save if half the homes switched over or 75% of them! 75% of the homes in the US are single family/duplex detached homes btw. Bigger systems can be used for bigger building also but look at what we could be saving right now and think about the rest of the planet doing the same.
Housing units primary Heating Fuel:
*54,928,000 Piped Gas
**6,134,000 Bottled Gas
**9,501,000 Fuel Oil
.***635,000 Kerosene or other Liquid Fuel
Housing units with secondary Heating Sourses:
**4,323,000 Piped Gas
**1,378,000 Bottled Gas
.***571,000 Fuel Oil
.***768,000 Kerosene or other Liquid Fuel
Cooking Fuel:
*37,552,000 Piped Gas = Could Be Switched to Electric
**5,060,000 Bottled Gas= Could Be Switched to Electric
.****16,000 Kerosene or other Liquid Fuel= Could Be Switched to Electric
Water Heating Fuel:
*54,444,000 Piped Gas
**4,063,000 Bottled Gas
**5,398,000 Fuel oil
.****23,000 Kerosene or other Liquid Fuel
Natural Gas Air Conditioners:
99,000 Gas.
Why isn’t hardly anybody here talking about these types of things and other oil replacements? Scalability & EROEI has little to do with any of this transition …….Macroeconomics’ does though and after looking into that issue I think you will see how we have many viable options already existing for replacing what’s needed regarding consumption. It’s all about Logistics of putting it in place and that’s happening right now by the powers that be.
Doomers = “We can’t”
Rational thinking = “We can & are” Macroeconomics & Logistics = prudent planning and enactment like what we are doing right now.
"The Stone Age did not end for lack of stone, and the Oil Age will end long before the world runs out of oil" ............ Former Saudi Arabian oil minister Sheikh Zaki Yamani,
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Ford having trouble selling Explorers
by Leanan » Sat 04 Jun 2005, 19:44:13
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ord Motor Co. said Friday it was offering cash rebates for the first time on several new cars and sweetening incentives on its slow-selling Explorer SUV.
Ford has warned that its automotive operations may not be profitable this year, and the move came after the second-largest U.S. automaker reported Wednesday its 12th straight month of declining U.S. sales.
Earlier, rival General Motors Corp. ratcheted up Detroit's long-running incentives war with a new aggressive consumer rebate program.
Ford has warned that its automotive operations may not be profitable this year, and the move came after the second-largest U.S. automaker reported Wednesday its 12th straight month of declining U.S. sales.
Earlier, rival General Motors Corp. ratcheted up Detroit's long-running incentives war with a new aggressive consumer rebate program.
http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/03/Autos/f ... /index.htm
On another topic...a large fund has bailed out of home building stocks:
http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/03/markets ... /index.htm
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by MicroHydro » Sat 04 Jun 2005, 20:03:46
Ha Ha!
"The world is changed... I feel it in the water... I feel it in the earth... I smell it in the air... Much that once was, is lost..." - Galadriel
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by cammo2004 » Sat 04 Jun 2005, 20:17:28
I've been making an effort to keep an eye out on the number of 4WDs (pretty much the equivalent of your SUV's - just a different name) and I swear, they're starting to take over the road! It's good to hear that they're declining in sales. About bl00dy time.
I'm in Australia by the way. Apparently 1 in 5 new sales is a 4WD vehicle.
Just as much of a problem here, mind, is the "Aussie V8". Even my mate, who loves his car, admits that's just a tad too much power.
I'm in Australia by the way. Apparently 1 in 5 new sales is a 4WD vehicle.
Just as much of a problem here, mind, is the "Aussie V8". Even my mate, who loves his car, admits that's just a tad too much power.
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by cube » Sat 04 Jun 2005, 20:56:37
giving a rebate on a new car? ouch! That's gotta hurt. Funny how the news section of this website mentions there's a waiting list for hybrids. For all those who think that hybrids are nothing more then a passing fad for greenies think again.
I never cared for SUV's and the "soccer moms" who drive them so they can all just get scrapped at the junk yard. The world will be a better place without them.
I never cared for SUV's and the "soccer moms" who drive them so they can all just get scrapped at the junk yard. The world will be a better place without them.
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by RonMN » Sun 05 Jun 2005, 06:35:31
I'm hesitant to give up my '95 ford bronco simply because of the safety issue. People are driving worse each year...it's like drivers ed' classes ain't teaching them what they need to know (like stop and yield).
If it wasn't for the safety factor i would have no problem driving a geo metro or even a motor cycle for that matter. But when you get into a "close call" almost every time you get behind the wheel...i'll keep my bronco thank you!
If it wasn't for the safety factor i would have no problem driving a geo metro or even a motor cycle for that matter. But when you get into a "close call" almost every time you get behind the wheel...i'll keep my bronco thank you!
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by FoxV » Mon 06 Jun 2005, 12:24:36
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'I') never cared for SUV's and the "soccer moms" who drive them so they can all just get scrapped at the junk yard. The world will be a better place without them.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', 'I')'m hesitant to give up my '95 ford bronco simply because of the safety issue. People are driving worse each year.
My wife and 4 year old son were almost creamed by some twit in an explorer (too young to be a soccer mom) talking on a cell phone while rushing to park in the fire zone of a crowded parking. She never had a clue what she almost did.
Some people ask why we want to see the crash, and a lot of it is to see the idiots like those burn
Angry yet?
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