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Re: Being a happy doomer

Unread postby GoIllini » Tue 16 Aug 2005, 17:37:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JudoCow09', 'A')nd why did that grocery store is S. Korea have empty cash registers?


Well, at the pool I worked at growing up, we always emptied the cash registers and put the money in the safe when we closed up for the night.

It's been a while, but I think they might have been closed.
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Re: Being a happy doomer

Unread postby killJOY » Tue 16 Aug 2005, 19:46:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')n buddy of mine sees the Doomer mindset as wish fulfilment. Of course you will be one of the 10% who live and you can stand on the pile of dead bodies and laugh at all the fools who never listened to you.


1. Wishes have no power.

2. Psychoanalysis is horsesh*t.

I notice people who psychoanalyze others' motives manage to flatter their own assumptions nicely.
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Re: Being a happy doomer

Unread postby whiteknight » Tue 16 Aug 2005, 21:34:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')n buddy of mine sees the Doomer mindset as wish fulfilment. Of course you will be one of the 10% who live and you can stand on the pile of dead bodies and laugh at all the fools who never listened to you.


1. Wishes have no power.

2. Psychoanalysis is horsesh*t.

I notice people who psychoanalyze others' motives manage to flatter their own assumptions nicely.


Just re-read your original posts and the posts of others here and seems to me it aint psychoanalysis... I was ponting out you folks have a whole lot of wishes right there that you think Peak Oil is going to fullfil. Others have wishes that are differant from yours. What makes theirs wrong and yours right? Got a crystal ball tucked in your robes somewhere (if so I can always use a Royal Advisor in the castle...)

I've been watching the "End of the World" scenarios for some time now, got wrapped up in a few over the years too. Seems to me every single one is filled to the brim with folks who tie their wagon full of dreams to the idea. All the things they hate about the world will "go away" and all that will be left is what they want. This madness of the Great Dieoffs is the best example. Why will YOU survive this 90% dieoff while others wont? What magical feild protects you in this little fantasy?

Seems to me you might need a bit of psycholanalysis... no wonder its double tough to get folks to see the possiblility that we are running out of oil when there are so many running around telling them "you will DIE unless you follow ME!

Do you stand on a street corner in a robe holding a sign that reads "The End Is Near" to recruit new members?
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Re: Being a happy doomer

Unread postby wildsparrow » Tue 16 Aug 2005, 21:55:37

You have some good points, Whiteknight. hehe. We do agree on some things.
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Re: Being a happy doomer

Unread postby killJOY » Tue 16 Aug 2005, 21:56:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')o you stand on a street corner in a robe holding a sign that reads "The End Is Near" to recruit new members?

Why, no I don't.

What ever gave you that idea?

Your own prejudice, that's what.
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Re: Being a happy doomer

Unread postby GoIllini » Wed 17 Aug 2005, 03:54:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('whiteknight', 'J')ust re-read your original posts and the posts of others here and seems to me it aint psychoanalysis... I was ponting out you folks have a whole lot of wishes right there that you think Peak Oil is going to fullfil. Others have wishes that are differant from yours. What makes theirs wrong and yours right? Got a crystal ball tucked in your robes somewhere (if so I can always use a Royal Advisor in the castle...)

I've been watching the "End of the World" scenarios for some time now, got wrapped up in a few over the years too. Seems to me every single one is filled to the brim with folks who tie their wagon full of dreams to the idea. All the things they hate about the world will "go away" and all that will be left is what they want. This madness of the Great Dieoffs is the best example. Why will YOU survive this 90% dieoff while others wont? What magical feild protects you in this little fantasy?

Seems to me you might need a bit of psycholanalysis... no wonder its double tough to get folks to see the possiblility that we are running out of oil when there are so many running around telling them "you will DIE unless you follow ME!

Do you stand on a street corner in a robe holding a sign that reads "The End Is Near" to recruit new members?

My goodness, we agree on something.

I figure most-doom-and-gloomers are annoyed that they spent $12,000 on Spam and a bomb shelter for Y2K, and are hoping they can find something to do with it.

I'm sorry, but these folks are most likely going to be stuck with their Spam.
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Re: Being a happy doomer

Unread postby whiteknight » Wed 17 Aug 2005, 08:45:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GoIllini', '
')My goodness, we agree on something.

I figure most-doom-and-gloomers are annoyed that they spent $12,000 on Spam and a bomb shelter for Y2K, and are hoping they can find something to do with it.

I'm sorry, but these folks are most likely going to be stuck with their Spam.


Ya know, I have read some folks here who talk about planning for Peak Oil like haiving insurance. You hope for the best but have worst case backups. I think that makes sense. It seems logical that we could have major bumps in the road over oil be it from Hubberds Peak or just massive terrorist attacks on the overly complex system that brings it to your local gas station. Having little faith in my fellow man I could see those bumps leading to a breakdown in civilized behavior. Also there are some other economic issues on the near horizon which could mean that small bumb would cause to tumble into some seriously harse economic times irregardless of reaching Hubberd Peak or not. So yeah, I figger shit could hit the fan in a harsh way.

Mind you, my model for the worst case is more like Germany Hyperinflation of the 30's mixed with some possible foreign adventurism to try and cover things up not Mad Max or The Stand. I dont think for a minute we will see "dieoffs" beyond 10% of the population. Sure we could have rioting in localized areas but I doubt the massive city wide burings that would have to happen to acheive the reverse Left Behind model that Doomers dream of.

I read so many posts on this site that say "I am looking forward to..." and "I cant wait until..." so on and so forth. They fill in the blanks with their perfect world ideas. They say "sure it will be tough, but..." and "I'll feel bad for..." to make it sound like they arent looking forward to the die offs like kids on christmass eve. They sound just like every other survivalist I have known and hung out with for the last 20 years.

Ever notice the people who suffer most in the dieoffs are those who caused the problems that brought us to the dieoffs? Sort of a poetic justice situation. More like puppetshow justice. One description of the dieoffs I read said "and people will be pulled from their cars and killed by angry mobs" like those on bicycles will be immune to those mobs? Those who walk wont get killed? Seems to me the writer was letting his hated of cars get in the way of a reasoned analysis.

Hmm... ranted long enough. Besides, we already agree on this. :-D
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Re: Being a happy doomer

Unread postby Pops » Wed 17 Aug 2005, 09:57:05

Considering that yesterday there were 170,000 page views here it doesn’t seem odd to me that there would be a variety of opinions - from doomers to deniers.

What does amaze me is the large number of very intelligent people from all walks and locations that contribute a great amount of knowledge to the site - if you are willing to look for it.
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
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Re: Being a happy doomer

Unread postby frost667 » Sun 18 Sep 2005, 08:52:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oiless', ' ')For some reason there were a lot of dead animals on the road. Every morning on my way to work I'd see dead racoons, possums, robins, crows, you name it. Not just one or two, but many.


Opossums ? :( Poor fellows... :( All of them.
I'm seeing mostly cats killed by running cars. :(

I don't like cars. Don't have one, never had. I don't even have a driving licence and don't want it ( regardless of peak oil ). I would never like to have a car, even solar powered or any other.
I walk to work. About 5-6 kilometres one way. So it's twice a day. Five days a week.


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Re: Being a happy doomer

Unread postby kingmza » Thu 29 Sep 2005, 04:35:24

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Re: Being a happy doomer

Unread postby Doly » Thu 29 Sep 2005, 06:31:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kingmza', '
')"In the world I see - you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway."


That may be taking it too far. I don't think things will fall that much.

That said, I have written a story in New York post-peak and post-flooding due to global warming, with some interesting images of people moving around in boats, with rope ladders and bridges. It's a world of rickshaws, mobile phones and scavenging for useful stuff left behind.
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Re: Being a happy doomer

Unread postby kingmza » Thu 29 Sep 2005, 14:12:51

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Re: Being a happy doomer

Unread postby SeasonOfPain » Thu 29 Sep 2005, 22:36:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kingmza', '.')..it isn't my own views, but a quote from Fight Club. The movie is one of those films that is quoted a hundred times over, but not lines like that one. It kind of stuck out to me after learning about PO.

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise. :)

Agreed about longing for the death of the consumer lifestyle. Actually, my favorite scene in the movie Fight Club is where the narrator wanders his apartment, on the phone ordering things from Ikea, which magically appear in the room, complete with catalog titles and description. The most creative use of CGI I've ever seen.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kingmza', 'I') would be interested in reading this story of yours.


As would I. I love a good post-apocalypse yarn.
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Re: Being a happy doomer

Unread postby jdumars » Thu 29 Sep 2005, 23:24:51

I have wrestled with all of the psychological aspects of being a doomer for quite a while. I tend to side with the folks on here who see our current form of life as unsustainable, and not just from an energy resources perspective. I look around, and it feels as if the world has gone completely haywire. We live an a world that is trying to run from nature as fast as it can, even if it's into the arms of death and ultimate destruction. We can't escape nature, no matter how hard we try, because we are nature. There are laws and powers that swirl around us that we have no control of, no matter what technology we invent to free ourselves of them.

All of this lead my wife and I to choose a life course that minimizes our continued interraction with the "artificial world" -- so much so that in a year's time, things like electricity and running water will be nothing but a memory. I like to think of our doomosity as leading us toward a new life regardless of what happens in the world.

People whom I tell about our plans almost always say "wow, what a cool idea... " followed by things like "I could never do something like that" or "you guys are really brave" etc. I encourage all of my doomer kindred spirits out there to follow in our footsteps if you are able to and start building the life you dream of post-PO now.
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Re: Being a happy doomer

Unread postby Shadizar » Thu 29 Sep 2005, 23:49:34

I can't say I'm exactly a happy doomer.

I consider the time we're in to be unique. Perhaps the most dynamic time humanity has ever seen. If nothing else we live in interesting times.

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Re: Being a happy doomer

Unread postby rogerhb » Thu 29 Sep 2005, 23:53:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdumars', 'P')eople whom I tell about our plans almost always say "wow, what a cool idea... " followed by things like "I could never do something like that" or "you guys are really brave" etc. I encourage all of my doomer kindred spirits out there to follow in our footsteps if you are able to and start building the life you dream of post-PO now.


Yup, we have made our move, got one foot in the present and one in the future. Feel a lot better having obliterated a huge mortgage and relocated to the countryside.

I don't tell people exactly why, unless they hint that they are "in the know". I say things like "I was brought up in the countryside and wanted my kids to as well" and that calms them down.
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Re: Being a happy doomer

Unread postby LadyRuby » Thu 29 Sep 2005, 23:55:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdumars', 'A')ll of this lead my wife and I to choose a life course that minimizes our continued interraction with the "artificial world" -- so much so that in a year's time, things like electricity and running water will be nothing but a memory. I like to think of our doomosity as leading us toward a new life regardless of what happens in the world.


Kind of reminds me of this reality show that was on a year or so where a few families go out and live "on the prairie," off the land with no electricity or other modern conveniences. At one point, a 12-year old (or so) kid said something like, "I know we're supposed to be living a simple life, but this simple life sucks!"

I think the novelty could be fun and feel like an accomplishment, but after a while it would just seem like a pain in the ass.
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Re: Being a happy doomer

Unread postby rogerhb » Thu 29 Sep 2005, 23:59:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LadyRuby', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdumars', 'A')ll of this lead my wife and I to choose a life course that minimizes our continued interraction with the "artificial world" -- so much so that in a year's time, things like electricity and running water will be nothing but a memory. I like to think of our doomosity as leading us toward a new life regardless of what happens in the world.


Kind of reminds me of this reality show that was on a year or so where a few families go out and live "on the prairie," off the land with no electricity or other modern conveniences. At one point, a 12-year old (or so) kid said something like, "I know we're supposed to be living a simple life, but this simple life sucks!"

I think the novelty could be fun and feel like an accomplishment, but after a while it would just seem like a pain in the ass.


Just think of yourself as a medieval King or Queen that has just been deposed but not imprisoned.
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Re: Being a happy doomer

Unread postby BabyPeanut » Fri 21 Oct 2005, 09:53:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Teclo', 'T')he trick is to move beyond the fear stage

The trick is making intellegent choices--ones that would be for the best with or without oil peak.

Anything you can do to scale down energy use is helpful just from the pollution reduction.

Unless being a hermit is your bag, living in the suburbs is mentally toxic with or without oil peak.

And so on.
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