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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby rogerhb » Tue 27 Sep 2005, 00:14:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('abelardlindsay', 'A')nybody who pulls out Hitler and compares him to Bush is a complete airhead who has has not engaged in a serious study of history or Nazi ideology


I hate having to agree with abelardlindsay :-D

I don't think Bush has had an original thought in his life.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby Specop_007 » Tue 27 Sep 2005, 00:30:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', '
')Oh yeah if you want to talk about who is smart and who is not, what kind of a grown man puts a GI joe doll in fatigues for his avatar?


TEAM AMERICA!! FUCK YEAH!!!

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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby Skye » Tue 27 Sep 2005, 01:34:36

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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby savethehumans » Tue 27 Sep 2005, 02:20:44

Now, let me get this straight, specop: as long as we fight in Iraq, the terrorists are NOT gonna come to the US and commit terrorist acts.

O-kay. . . . :roll:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')rticle wrote:
Sgt. Scott Fear, spokesman for the U.S. Park Police, said they would be charged with demonstrating without a permit, which is a misdemeanor.


I guess now, just like the 2nd Amendment, you have to have a permit to exercise your 1st Amendment Right.

Nicely put. Yeah, I can see why they wouldn't want people hanging around the White House like that. Especially after 9/11. But a few dozen people, sitting around PRAYING doesn't exactly sound like a bunch of terrorists.

It's true that they should've been arrested for breaking the law. But I think that might just be the REASON they had a sit-in there? :P It's called civil disobedience. Worked pretty well for Gandhi, King, Vietnam anti-war groups, et al. These people are standing on the shoulders of giants--more power to 'em!! :)
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby oiless » Tue 27 Sep 2005, 02:45:59

Spec, I keep waiting for you to shut off your computer, search around in your shorts, find your testicles, march them down to the nearest recruiting centre, and enlist them and yourself. Don't think you've got the intestinal fortitude for that though, so I guess we'll just keep reading your strange little posts.
Must be the shits, running scared all the time, waiting for the terrorists to get you.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby TOKYO-EXPAT » Tue 27 Sep 2005, 03:08:13

I would have to say that Specops(what a fitting handle) is just like King George. And that is a chicken hawk. He loves to sprout from the mouth with his patriotic BS but has no desire to actually get his hands dirty.. or god forbid go fight the terrorists so he doesnt have to fight them in his suburban, middle class, white picket fence front yard.
In addition Spec.. being that I do live in Japan could you tell me when Islamic terrorists attacked japan as you said in your post.. cause I must have missed it.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby insurgent » Tue 27 Sep 2005, 08:53:53

Hey Specop,

Were we at war after the Oklahoma City bombing?

Also, I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions on some other posts (but I don't expect you will).
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby CARVER » Tue 27 Sep 2005, 11:25:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'T')his is why we're in Iraq. We're drawing out the terrosist in a hostile environment.
Where my wife works, where my chidlren play, this is not where I want to draw out the terrorists. In the subways of London, the streets of Spain, this is not where I want to draw out the terrorists. In the nightclubs of Indonesia, this is not where I want to draw out the terrorists.
And this is why we must fight this war. I will be the first to agree, Iraq isnt the best place to do it. But from a startegic perspective it is a good place to go.

Like I said, this is a war that will be fought regardless of whether we want to or not. Much like the criminal who preys on his victim. You can choose to be or not be a target of a criminal. You can however choose how to react to the situation.
We have chosen to fight the war they want to fight on their territory and not ours. Thats the best we can do. America didnt pay the terrorists to crash planes into our buildings so we could do this. This is something they did themselves, and now we must choose.
Fight them there, or fight them here. ...


Didn't the terrorists do the same, the locals didn't like the terrorist attacks in their own country, so it did not help them to get support. So they decided to do the attacks in foreign countries that were keeping the corrupt regimes in their home country in power. Watch the BBC documentary The Power of Nightmares.

I don't think it is a smart idea to go around attacking people who don't agree with you and have the ability to harm you in some way (in the future). You can make a lot of enemies that way. So from a strategic perspective I think this is a suicidal approach. What have the countries that have participated in the War on Iraq achieved so far? Is there less of a threat now than before the war, or is there now an even bigger threat in even more countries? What are they trying to achieve anyway? Kill every possible terrorist, so basically everyone that does not agree with you, which is impossible to know. "If you are not with us, you are against us". People are calling it 'The American Way' now, but a lot of Americans are not with Bush on this.

It's only a very small group that is trying to kill eachother, but it is dragging the entire world into it. It is giving a lot of people a bad name. Most Americans don't want to kill Muslims, most Muslims don't want to kill Americans, and even more important almost none of them do, otherwise it would not be possible to live among one another like we do.

Specop, wouldn't you mind if some european countries would go to war with the US, because there are terrorists in the US and we don't want to fight them in our home countries. We can't get away with bombing our own country and taking out innocent citizens in the process, but we have no problem in bombing the US. However since we are liberating you all we need something in return, so we are going to take over your oil production. By the way since we know the US has WMD and poses a threat to us, we have every right to attack you. Sounds crazy, don't you think? I know the US or Iraq is not the best place to do it, come to think of it maybe war is not the answer at all?
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby abelardlindsay » Tue 27 Sep 2005, 12:03:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', '
')If only you were right and/or educated. The Bush administration is as close to a fascist regime as we have ever had in this country and this is because of the extreme intepreation of the Bible that has taken hold up there. I think you better do some reading about how Bush makes decisions and then look at how Hitler came to power.


Not by a long shot buddy. Did you know that Woodrow Wilson was an open white supremacist and racially re-segregated the federal government and invited Klu Klux Klan rallies to the steps of the white house? I know you didn't learn that in high school :). Wilson was probably our worst president and destroyed race relations in the U.S which were actually much better before his rule than they were until the 1960s.

http://reason.com/links/links121802.shtml

Wilson allowed various officials to segregate the toilets, cafeterias, and work areas of their departments. One justification involved health: White government workers had to be protected from contagious diseases, especially venereal diseases, that racists imagined were being spread by blacks. In extreme cases, federal officials built separate structures to house black workers. Most black diplomats were replaced by whites; numerous black federal officials in the South were removed from their posts; the local Washington police force and fire department stopped hiring blacks.

Wilson's own view, as he expressed it to intimates, was that federal segregation was an act of kindness. In historian Friedman's paraphrase, "Off by themselves with only a white supervisor, blacks would not be forced out of their jobs by energetic white employees."


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Oh yeah if you want to talk about who is smart and who is not, what kind of a grown man puts a GI joe doll in fatigues for his avatar?



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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby EdF » Tue 27 Sep 2005, 12:17:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mgibbons19', '.').. I think George is a dolt. Or an evil genius. I'm not sure. ...


But have you considered this possibility?

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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby PrairieMule » Tue 27 Sep 2005, 12:57:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('insurgent', 'H')ey Specop,

Were we at war after the Oklahoma City bombing?

Also, I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions on some other posts (but I don't expect you will).


I would like to answer that. No, but we should have been. I was 5 miles north at Penn Square Mall when the thing went off and my wife and mother in law were both in the south of the Murrah Building in the federal courthouse.

Once you see a kid with their face cut up or their eardrums blown out pacifism and short term memory is hard to swallow. At that point we should have made it our mandate to "Take the fight to our enemy". Everyone knows that it was a fair haired white boy that pulled the trigger but it's disturbing how fast the search for John Doe#2 was supressed. I have no doubt he had help from Al-Quaida. At that time the current administration had military budgets to cut and base voters to appease for the 1996 election.

Would it be disrespectful to ponder the thought of what if Mrs.Shehan's son could have been saved by body armor or better armed Humvee, would he be alive today? Let's be fair, which administration made the biggest cuts in the military? Did those budget cuts trickle down to stealth fighters or body armor, MOLLE gear, and armored Humvees? Which administration made the cuts in intellegence.

If you scream and call names at Bush and call him Murder, If you stand outside vetreran's hospitals in the view of wounded vet's and hold signs that say lose a limb for Haliburton(I thought the soldiers were off the table?) would it be fair to conceed the Clinton Administration has a hand in our situation today?

Did the 300,000 to 100,000 promptly move to Clinton's office in Harlem?

All I am saying is if you take the moral stand against the war, be clear on if you truly are against the deaths of our soldiers or you just dont like Bush. Also if you are against war be ready to acknowledge that the Hillary in 2008 Bumper sticker you will be puting on your car voted for the liberation of Iraq.

What truly deserved our attention last weekend the Hurricane Rita or you do not respect George Bush.

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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby rogerhb » Tue 27 Sep 2005, 13:43:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('insurgent', 'W')ere we at war after the Oklahoma City bombing?


I would like to answer that. No, but we should have been. I was 5 miles north at Penn Square Mall when the thing went off and my wife and mother in law were both in the south of the Murrah Building in the federal courthouse.


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So who exactly was the USA going to declare war on?

It might surprise you that war does not have to be the response to every event. It should always be the absolute last resort, no matter how big you think you are.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Tue 27 Sep 2005, 14:06:44

Americans are cavalier regarding war.

We need to have a few of our cities bombed, property destroyed, children killed, energy supplies disrupted, no clean water.

But I wonder if that would change our attitude or make us even more blood thirsty?
Now why didn't I take the blue pill.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby PrairieMule » Tue 27 Sep 2005, 15:08:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('insurgent', 'W')ere we at war after the Oklahoma City bombing?


I would like to answer that. No, but we should have been. I was 5 miles north at Penn Square Mall when the thing went off and my wife and mother in law were both in the south of the Murrah Building in the federal courthouse.


8O

So who exactly was the USA going to declare war on?

It might surprise you that war does not have to be the response to every event. It should always be the absolute last resort, no matter how big you think you are.


I think radical fundamental islamics. If you look at sketches of John Doe#2 he does not look like a Presbyterian or Baptist, but that's just my opinion. In fact he looks a lot like the person that tried to bomb the trade center in 1993. How many UN resolutions towards Iraq came and went. In the time frame the UN told Saddam "We really mean it this time" to Shock and awe, is it possible that enough time passed to move WMD's to Syria?

Also if you truly think war is the last option, could you conceed the Bush Administration is showing amazing restraint and diplomatic savy in dealing with North Korea? Are they working together with China and Japan or are they pissing off thasia by doing it alone. I wonder what Mrs.Sheehans thoughts are towards our Diplomatic stance on Korea. This is a situation that could escalate into military action. Think we will see 100,000 to 300,000 march in the streets with folks that are so happy 2000 soldiers have not died in Korea? As someone from the south, Why would a bigoted redneck Texan put a black woman in a position like Secretary of state?
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby PrairieMule » Tue 27 Sep 2005, 15:14:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'A')mericans are cavalier regarding war.

We need to have a few of our cities bombed, property destroyed, children killed, energy supplies disrupted, no clean water.

But I wonder if that would change our attitude or make us even more blood thirsty?


We need to have a few of our cities bombed, property destroyed, children killed, energy supplies disrupted, no clean water.-Hmmm. Doesn't sound very anti war to me just ignorant. John Lennon would be very disapointed in your wish to have any city bombed. I would not want any american bombed weither it be at a NRA convention or a PHISH concert(yes they are broken up but I do hope they get back together and tour.)
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Tue 27 Sep 2005, 15:16:46

I want to bomb whoever Jesus would bomb.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Tue 27 Sep 2005, 15:20:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lso if you truly think war is the last option, could you conceed the Bush Administration is showing amazing restraint and diplomatic savy in dealing with North Korea?


I totally agree. That shows that we invaded Iraq for the oil and we knew they didn't have WMDs. I wouldn't call it diplomatic savy, it's just common sense. If we attack N Korea they nuke -somebody-. And that somebody may want to take it out of our hide.

At the end of the day, nobody doesn't want to nuke nobody. It would be an act of desparation. That's why diplomacy makes sense for any nuclear power. And that's probably why Iran wants a nuclear weapon.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby CARVER » Tue 27 Sep 2005, 15:40:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', '
')... Also if you truly think war is the last option, could you conceed the Bush Administration is showing amazing restraint and diplomatic savy in dealing with North Korea? Are they working together with China and Japan or are they pissing off thasia by doing it alone. I wonder what Mrs.Sheehans thoughts are towards our Diplomatic stance on Korea. This is a situation that could escalate into military action. Think we will see 100,000 to 300,000 march in the streets with folks that are so happy 2000 soldiers have not died in Korea? As someone from the south, Why would a bigoted redneck Texan put a black woman in a position like Secretary of state?


Why would they send soldiers to North Korea, have they got huge oil fields like Iraq? There is nothing there that's word something to the US. They just don't want them to have nukes, because North Korea doesn't like the US. So if they would declare war on North Korea I think they would just bomb those facilities, no need to bring in the troops.

Condoleezza Rice is on the same page as those other neoconservatives, placing people who think the same at all the top spots, Chevron link, reason enough I think.
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