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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby Kooka » Mon 26 Sep 2005, 22:23:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hiderow', 'W')hy have you not been banned yet?? Fuckin idiot, go say that to someone in real life & see how far you get, insecure little boy!
Or should I say, blatant troll trying to get reactions!


Isn't one purpose of this forum to discuss prevailing world issues that may or may not affect peak oil? It's quite possible to debate using logical arguments without injecting negativity, sarcasm, and name calling. The hundreds of thousands of stickers displayed on cars show that many do support America's fight against terrorism.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hiderow', 'L')OL, only 500 pro war protesters, the rest of them must be like specop talking shit on the net :roll:


You might want to wipe your own ass, lest you leave skid marks on all subsequent posts.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby rogerhb » Mon 26 Sep 2005, 22:38:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kooka', 'T')he hundreds of thousands of stickers displayed on cars show that many do support America's fight against terrorism.


So buying stickers and responding to the presidents call to go shopping is counted as fighting a war?

Pathetic.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby mgibbons19 » Mon 26 Sep 2005, 22:44:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kooka', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hiderow', 'W')hy have you not been banned yet?? Fuckin idiot, go say that to someone in real life & see how far you get, insecure little boy!
Or should I say, blatant troll trying to get reactions!


Isn't one purpose of this forum to discuss prevailing world issues that may or may not affect peak oil? It's quite possible to debate using logical arguments without injecting negativity, sarcasm, and name calling. The hundreds of thousands of stickers displayed on cars show that many do support America's fight against terrorism.


I think George is a dolt. Or an evil genius. I'm not sure. I am against this war. I don't agree with Spec on this.

But, he is the only one who has made a serious conservative argument for the war. At least the only one that seems to work at all. So I dig Spec for representing the other side.

Truly, according to this perspective it doesn't matter if we invaded Afgan, Iraq, or even Saudi Arabia. What matters is that we go start shit over there, so that those who don't like us can play rugby over on that field rather than this one here at home.

Is it moral? Ethical? Do I care? Is war ever ethical? Our leaders are ensuring someone else's citizens get killed, rather than ours.

It's a legitimate perspective. It's not mine, but it's out there. And spec defends it pretty well. He's not the closed minded one here.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby rogerhb » Mon 26 Sep 2005, 22:53:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mgibbons19', 'O')ur leaders are ensuring someone else's citizens get killed, rather than ours.


Are soldiers not citizens?
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby Kooka » Mon 26 Sep 2005, 22:58:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kooka', 'T')he hundreds of thousands of stickers displayed on cars show that many do support America's fight against terrorism.


So buying stickers and responding to the presidents call to go shopping is counted as fighting a war?

Pathetic.


Actually, Roger, what's pathetic is a response such as yours, considering the impact this war will have on many, many people. You just following the skid marks around or do you have an opinion that's worthy of posting in regards to our country's response to terrorism?
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby Specop_007 » Mon 26 Sep 2005, 22:58:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Lets fight the war and draw the terrorists to the Middle East rather then not fight the war and have them coming here.


LOL. As if they can't get on a plane to mexico and cross the border. Those people don't come here because they are insurgents, not terrorists.

They just want the US the fuck out of their country.

If they wanted to hurt us, they could very easily. It doesn't take much to cross over the border and strap on a bomb.

You won't use your common sense for fear it might debunk your ideaology.


Oh I'm well aware of the insecurities of the border.
Rather a funny situation actually.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby Specop_007 » Mon 26 Sep 2005, 23:06:48

This is why we're in Iraq. We're drawing out the terrosist in a hostile environment.
Where my wife works, where my chidlren play, this is not where I want to draw out the terrorists. In the subways of London, the streets of Spain, this is not where I want to draw out the terrorists. In the nightclubs of Indonesia, this is not where I want to draw out the terrorists.
And this is why we must fight this war. I will be the first to agree, Iraq isnt the best place to do it. But from a startegic perspective it is a good place to go.

Like I said, this is a war that will be fought regardless of whether we want to or not. Much like the criminal who preys on his victim. You can choose to be or not be a target of a criminal. You can however choose how to react to the situation.
We have chosen to fight the war they want to fight on their territory and not ours. Thats the best we can do. America didnt pay the terrorists to crash planes into our buildings so we could do this. This is something they did themselves, and now we must choose.
Fight them there, or fight them here.

What really, really scares me is how many people would prefer to have the terrorists on our own soil and fight them here. Because thats exactly what the anti-war protestors are saying. Do not fight them there, let them come here.
That fuckin scares me.

Article

.S. Special Forces Kill No. 2 Terrorist in Iraq

Monday, September 26, 2005



WASHINGTON — U.S. Special Forces killed Al Qaeda's (search) No. 2 terror mastermind in Iraq (search), Defense Department officials said.

FOX News has confirmed that Abu Azzam (search), who was believed to have been in charge of the financing of terrorist cells in the war-torn country, was killed during a raid in Baghdad early Monday morning Iraq time. Azzam is thought to be the top deputy to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (search), Iraq's most wanted terrorist.

Azzam is the latest in a series of top Zarqawi deputies that have been killed or captured by coalition forces in recent months. Zarqawi's Al Qaeda in Iraq (search) group has taken responsibility for some of the country's most horrific acts of terror including car bombings, kidnappings and beheadings of Iraqi civilians and westerners.

Earlier this month Zarqawi, a Sunni Muslim, pledged war on Iraqi Shiites in response to the U.S. and Iraqi military offensive on the town of Tal Afar near the Syrian border.

The U.S. military said it is continuing to make progress dismantling Zarqawi's operations. Officials credit much of the success to the increasing number of tips coming from Iraqi civilians. A top U.S. commander in northwestern region of the country said that 80 percent the terror network has been affected by coalition operations in his region.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby rogerhb » Mon 26 Sep 2005, 23:16:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kooka', 'A')ctually, Roger, what's pathetic is a response such as yours, considering the impact this war will have on many, many people. You just following the skid marks around or do you have an opinion that's worthy of posting in regards to our country's response to terrorism?


Look in Geopolitics for the thread "How would the war on terrorism actually be won?"
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby Kooka » Mon 26 Sep 2005, 23:24:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'W')hat really, really scares me is how many people would prefer to have the terrorists on our own soil and fight them here. Because thats exactly what the anti-war protestors are saying. Do not fight them there, let them come here. That fuckin scares me.


What scares me the most is that there might be several hundred terrorists already here.

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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby mgibbons19 » Mon 26 Sep 2005, 23:29:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mgibbons19', 'O')ur leaders are ensuring someone else's citizens get killed, rather than ours.


Are soldiers not citizens?


no.

Soldiers are not allowed to question the leadership. that is why the rest of us must. I don't think our boys and girls should be dying over there over what I see to be an oil war.
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby Skye » Mon 26 Sep 2005, 23:32:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kooka', 'I')sn't one purpose of this forum to discuss prevailing world issues that may or may not affect peak oil? It's quite possible to debate using logical arguments without injecting negativity, sarcasm, and name calling. The hundreds of thousands of stickers displayed on cars show that many do support America's fight against terrorism.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'T')oo bad an Islamic Insurgent didnt have a car bomb handy.
Maybe if a couple hundred of them had been blown up they'd have a better perspective of why we're fighting.

Those people disgust me.



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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby rogerhb » Mon 26 Sep 2005, 23:40:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mgibbons19', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mgibbons19', 'O')ur leaders are ensuring someone else's citizens get killed, rather than ours.


Are soldiers not citizens?


no.

Soldiers are not allowed to question the leadership. that is why the rest of us must. I don't think our boys and girls should be dying over there over what I see to be an oil war.


In both the UK and NZ soldiers are considered citizens:

1. they both have the right to vote

2. they are both required to not follow "manifestly illegal orders"
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby evilmonkeyspanker » Mon 26 Sep 2005, 23:50:30

Specop, while I respect you. I can't aggree with you, I think you have are being led around by Bill O'Reilly. I wonder if maybe we didn't just pay those terrorist to attack our buildings. I mean our government knew something was coming they have admitted at least that much. Lord knows even if we didn't pay them we were the ones who have funded them over the years. Hell we had osama working with us to take out governments back during Bush seniors day. I can't understand how you can support this war, when it was to be a war on terrorism. If terrorism is what we are fighting, where is Osama?
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby Specop_007 » Mon 26 Sep 2005, 23:55:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Skye', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kooka', 'I')sn't one purpose of this forum to discuss prevailing world issues that may or may not affect peak oil? It's quite possible to debate using logical arguments without injecting negativity, sarcasm, and name calling. The hundreds of thousands of stickers displayed on cars show that many do support America's fight against terrorism.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'T')oo bad an Islamic Insurgent didnt have a car bomb handy.
Maybe if a couple hundred of them had been blown up they'd have a better perspective of why we're fighting.

Those people disgust me.


Whats the roll for? Is it that hard to understand I have no respect for someone who would stand in the street with a sign supporting terrorists? These people are essentially saying "Let the terrorists come here and blow us up!"
hey, if thats what they want..... Then thats exactly what I shall wish upon them. :)

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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby Specop_007 » Mon 26 Sep 2005, 23:56:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('auctionmonster', 'S')pecop, while I respect you. I can't aggree with you, I think you have are being led around by Bill O'Reilly. I wonder if maybe we didn't just pay those terrorist to attack our buildings. I mean our government knew something was coming they have admitted at least that much. Lord knows even if we didn't pay them we were the ones who have funded them over the years. Hell we had osama working with us to take out governments back during Bush seniors day. I can't understand how you can support this war, when it was to be a war on terrorism. If terrorism is what we are fighting, where is Osama?


And what about London, Holland, Spain, Indonesia and all the other countries who have suffered Islamic terrorist attacks.
Did America fund those acts as well?
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby Kooka » Tue 27 Sep 2005, 00:01:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Skye', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kooka', 'I')sn't one purpose of this forum to discuss prevailing world issues that may or may not affect peak oil? It's quite possible to debate using logical arguments without injecting negativity, sarcasm, and name calling. The hundreds of thousands of stickers displayed on cars show that many do support America's fight against terrorism.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'T')oo bad an Islamic Insurgent didnt have a car bomb handy.
Maybe if a couple hundred of them had been blown up they'd have a better perspective of why we're fighting.

Those people disgust me.



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Maybe is a key word here. Keep em rolling til you get past 2, or just keep following the skid marks :lol:
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Re: Cindy Sheehan arrested

Unread postby abelardlindsay » Tue 27 Sep 2005, 00:10:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'Y')our rhetoric is strait out of some neocon handbook with a little mein kempf rolled in for good measure.


Once again, Americans prove they know about as much about World War II as they know about African Geography. Anybody who pulls out Hitler and compares him to Bush is a complete airhead who has has not engaged in a serious study of history or Nazi ideology and is blindly name dropping in a pathetic attempt to look smart.
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