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Re: "Freedom fighters"? No, savages.

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 03:53:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('katkinkate', 'W')hat's the difference between a beheading and a bullet to the brain? You're just as dead either way and neither is as painful as many other ways to go. A sword/machette or a gun? Neither is more or less honourable or humane.

Is the outrage because of the method or the (assumed) nationality/race of the victim?


A bullet to the brain is far more humane then getting your head cut off.
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Re: "Freedom fighters"? No, savages.

Unread postby OZ_DOC » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 04:34:45

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And how many Islamofacists are awaiting jail time for chopping off peoples heads?
*crickets*

Thought so.


A lot fewer probably since coalition troops busted 150 prisoners of them out of a sovereign Iraqi prison on thursday. There are plenty of them in custody, so far nobody has a clue what theyve done because not one of them has actually been charged or tried yet. I agree every single one of them should have the full force of the law brought down on them. But so should the US fascist terrrorists who view baseball batting iraqi captives kneecaps out as a form of sport.

You say a bullet to the head is a lot more humane. Exactly how many gunshot victims, particulalry head wounds, have you ever encountered in your life? ever treated a comminuted skull fracture from such an Injury. Until you have i suggest you stop talking about what you have no idea about. You are no better than an animal if you belive that this is humane.

The moral high ground you think you are standing on is about as firm as iraqi independence. US military has a long pathetic history of backing vicious dictators when it suits. Ever heard of saddam Hussein? ever seen the press shots of him with donald Rumsfeld offering weapons and training. No country at war can claim moral superiority, certainly not the United States in this one. WMD's my ass. GWB decided to spin 9/11 off for a personal vendetta. And in doing so a centre of terrorist training has been created. US troops are providing live training exercises for the next wave of islamic attack. Hope your proud.
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Re: "Freedom fighters"? No, savages.

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 04:48:21

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A lot fewer probably since coalition troops busted 150 prisoners of them out of a sovereign Iraqi prison on thursday. There are plenty of them in custody, so far nobody has a clue what theyve done because not one of them has actually been charged or tried yet. I agree every single one of them should have the full force of the law brought down on them. But so should the US fascist terrrorists who view baseball batting iraqi captives kneecaps out as a form of sport.


I agree with every single word you said there.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou say a bullet to the head is a lot more humane. Exactly how many gunshot victims, particulalry head wounds, have you ever encountered in your life? ever treated a comminuted skull fracture from such an Injury. Until you have i suggest you stop talking about what you have no idea about. You are no better than an animal if you belive that this is humane.


WHOA. I didnt say it was humane, I simply said it was more humane then cutting off your head.
Its like if I asked would you prefer I cut your heart out with a scapel or a rusty spoon. Niether is really humane, but of the two the scapel is more humane then the rusty spoon. Same deal here. I'll take a bullet to the brain over getting my head cut off every time. A bullet to the brain is INSTANT DEATH every time (If your shot in the right part).

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he moral high ground you think you are standing on is about as firm as iraqi independence. US military has a long pathetic history of backing vicious dictators when it suits. Ever heard of saddam Hussein? ever seen the press shots of him with donald Rumsfeld offering weapons and training.


I've covered that before. Ever see the picture of Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin all sitting together? Times change, alliances change. Simple as that.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')o country at war can claim moral superiority, certainly not the United States in this one.


Sure we can. We didnt crash airliners into buildings.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')MD's my ass.


NATO documents and reciept records disagree.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')WB decided to spin 9/11 off for a personal vendetta.


To an extent, yes he did. Theres more to it then that though.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd in doing so a centre of terrorist training has been created. US troops are providing live training exercises for the next wave of islamic attack. Hope your proud.

Proud? No. But happy? Yes.
This war IS going to be fought, whether we participate or not. They will either fight us here, or we will fight them there. The common point is they will fight us. Now I personally would rather have them fighting over there then over here.
We cant choose whether or not we fight, but we can choose where we fight. And we have chose to fight them on their land. The terrorists that come out of these training camps go to Iraq to fight instead of going to America.

That makes it an easy choice. Hell yes I support this war.
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Re: "Freedom fighters"? No, savages.

Unread postby katkinkate » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 06:43:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('katkinkate', 'W')hat's the difference between a beheading and a bullet to the brain? You're just as dead either way and neither is as painful as many other ways to go. A sword/machette or a gun? Neither is more or less honourable or humane.

Is the outrage because of the method or the (assumed) nationality/race of the victim?


A bullet to the brain is far more humane then getting your head cut off.


More humane to the victim or the person watching? The victim is almost instantly dead no matter which method.
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Re: "Freedom fighters"? No, savages.

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 07:07:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('katkinkate', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('katkinkate', 'W')hat's the difference between a beheading and a bullet to the brain? You're just as dead either way and neither is as painful as many other ways to go. A sword/machette or a gun? Neither is more or less honourable or humane.

Is the outrage because of the method or the (assumed) nationality/race of the victim?


A bullet to the brain is far more humane then getting your head cut off.


More humane to the victim or the person watching? The victim is almost instantly dead no matter which method.


Oh bullshit. You dont honestly believe that do you?
Try watching videos of people getting their head cut off. That shit is FAR from instant.
With a bullet to the brain, you die INSTANTLY. I mean instantly as in in your holding a gun with your trigger on the finger, you dont even have time to pull the trigger.
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Re: "Freedom fighters"? No, savages.

Unread postby venky » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 15:15:29

Agree with you somewhat speckles. Shudder to think human beings can do that to each other. A bullet to the head is a far better way to die.

But I dont think the US can really claim the high ground here. What about those who have had their limbs blown apart by daisy cutter bombs? Most likely a slow painful death, or a life in perpetual agony as a cripple. What about the depleted uranium? The Iraqi's will suffer the effects of that for generations to come. And it was the US that invaded Iraq, not the other way around.

If I lost the freedom of my country to a foreign power, I would be pretty mad. I dont think I would care that much about giving my enemies, the occupiers or their collaborators a swift or painless death, although I would not stoop to barbarism.
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Re: "Freedom fighters"? No, savages.

Unread postby Cool Hand Linc » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 16:14:33

I have seen several of these beheading videos. I can't remember one where the victim didn't have their hands tied behind their backs. Each time they had complete control of the victim. They could literally do anything they wanted to the victim. Sometimes the feet were bound as well.
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Re: "Freedom fighters"? No, savages.

Unread postby SinisterBlueCat » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 22:40:41

I think this is pretty much a Y chromosomes thing. The worst that was that was pinned Pvt. England was her holding a leash attached to a naked male Iraqi prisoner and pointing at his genitals.

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Re: "Freedom fighters"? No, savages.

Unread postby rogerhb » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 22:59:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'N')ATO documents and reciept records disagree.


Have we found the one person on the planet who believes there were WMD in Iraq immediately prior to the US/Aus/UK invasion of Iraq?
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Re: "Freedom fighters"? No, savages.

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 23:34:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'N')ATO documents and reciept records disagree.


Have we found the one person on the planet who believes there were WMD in Iraq immediately prior to the US/Aus/UK invasion of Iraq?


Youd ont believe the UN documents?
You know, the organization everyone the world over requested to monitor Saddam?
So, you ask the Un to do something, then when its findings dont fall in line with your view of "how things are" you just turn around and ignore them??
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Re: "Freedom fighters"? No, savages.

Unread postby rogerhb » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 23:51:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', 'I') tried several times. They won't let me in.


Now that's the part that worries me! :-D
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Re: "Freedom fighters"? No, savages.

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Mon 26 Sep 2005, 01:57:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DefiledEngine', 'S')ince when are coalition (I'm assuming US et al) forces in Nepal? Aren't you trying to degrade Iraqi rebels?


Degrade?
Perhaps you've missed all the newscasts of Iraqi terrorists chopping off heads.
Islamic terrorists are all the same. Doesnt matter where they are, their nothing but the worst of savages and deserve nothing but a bullet.
Bush's hand-holding Saudi buddies do a lot of head chopping too, but they don't allow newscasts.

They use other methods is the Great State of Texas.
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Re: "Freedom fighters"? No, savages.

Unread postby evilmonkeyspanker » Mon 26 Sep 2005, 03:13:30

Do any of you have a soul?
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Re: "Freedom fighters"? No, savages.

Unread postby Roy » Mon 26 Sep 2005, 08:34:14

The message I get from the video is this:

If you're fighting these types, save the last bullet for yourself. Obviously, treatment of prisoners is not a real high priority for these guys.

Kill or be killed in its truest form.

Ask no quarter, and give no quarter.

Certainly executing prisoners is not unprecedented. In fact its much more common than merciful treatment. Only someone ignorant of history would believe otherwise. What do you think American revolutionaries did to loyalists and captured/wounded British troops? Captured Native Americans? Probably wasn't that different unless there happened to be press nearby. I know for a fact that for the most part, Japanese were killed rather than being taken prisoner by American forces in the pacific theater. Once those boys saw what the Japanese were doing to captured Americans, there was no more playing nice, or attempts at civilized warfare. Study on it if you don't believe me. Read some oral histories from people who were there, on the ground. Talk to some veterans of the pacific theatre in WWII. Think a bullet to head is inhumane? How humane is a flamethrower?

Of course they don't teach us that part in High School.

As other posters pointed out, war brings out the best and the WORST of people. It temporarily suspends conventional morality. All humans are capable of such bestial behavior if the conditions are right. No one race is more or less capable, base on my study of military history. America has it's share of embarassing atrocities too. They're just not on video. At least not in circulation.

Spec, tell me you wouldn't shoot someone in the head if they harmed your family, killed your wife, raped your child? Who knows what the guys being killed in the video did to deserve their fate? We certainly don't.

Anyone who wants war and supports it is supporting this type of activity on a daily basis.

So, anyone thinking about joining the army had better understand that surrendering to Muslim soldiers/terrorists/freedom fighters is not a wise option. The hatred on both sides runs too deep.

Kill as many as possible and save the last bullet for yourself. Unless you want your head cut off and video'd for posterity.

Thus the veracity of the statement: War is Hell.

No doubt about it.
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Re: "Freedom fighters"? No, savages.

Unread postby Aaron » Mon 26 Sep 2005, 08:59:04

Interesting that despite mankind's humble attempts at cruelty, we are rank amateurs when compared with mother nature.

As bad as many of these human atrocities are, they pale in comparison to what nature has in store for many.

Being slowly devoured by a bacteria colony for example...

Eaten alive by cancer...

Drowning in stomach fluids of some enormous beast...

We are amateurs.

Mother nature craps bigger than us.

I'll also add that if this world we live in was constructed by some intelligent design, then that intelligence is by far the most cruel and vindictive presence imaginable.

But he loves us...
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Re: "Freedom fighters"? No, savages.

Unread postby Z » Mon 26 Sep 2005, 09:56:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'A')s bad as many of these human atrocities are, they pale in comparison to what nature has in store for many.


Humans ARE part of nature.
Freedom is up to the length of the chain.
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Re: "Freedom fighters"? No, savages.

Unread postby Aaron » Mon 26 Sep 2005, 10:15:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Z', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'A')s bad as many of these human atrocities are, they pale in comparison to what nature has in store for many.


Humans ARE part of nature.


Of course.

One small part...
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Re: "Freedom fighters"? No, savages.

Unread postby holmes » Mon 26 Sep 2005, 13:58:46

Its all the same from all sides. different tactics. Terrorists vs terrorists. we chose this way probably when we layed waste to the south and starved women and children ,our own, in the great sieges of NO, Vicksberg, charleston, etc...
New ways to slaughter.
Modern society. advanced. :roll: :wink:

Which ushered in corporate america and her murder by proxy and the "OH the Horror!".
the trail of tears.
sandcreek massacre.
The agenda of the industrialized military complex.
shall we go on?
we just dont count coup do we?
we chose it long ago.
ma nature will choose the end game.
we love to kill.
the path is set.
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