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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 00:23:47

Thats what they are. Savages. Less the human.
We should just pull out all coalition forces and bomb the whole place to dust.

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GRAPHIC. Really really graphic. You want to call them freedom fighters, then you should know what your cheering on.
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Re: "Freedom fighters"? No, savages.

Unread postby NEOPO » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 00:59:04

No need to define the word "savage" as I know exactly what you are.

cheering them on and admitting what they represent is two different things completely.

You dont understand the method to the madness yet I assure you there is one.

Perhaps you forget that the US trained osama.
Maybe you dont understand the implications of the iran contra scandal.
You probably expect anyone with beef to line up on the battle field like "real men" so the vastly superior US military can wage an unfair "conventional" war/slaughter.
How better is this then hiroshima and nagasaki?
How better is this then the many 1000's of women and children who died during the iraq invasion.
The majority -Poor plebes with no choice at all.

Maybe you have forgotten the words of the founding fathers that you seem to wish to emulate and what those words truly mean.
You are not a patriot - you are a misguided racist zealot with a gun.

It would be my most distinguished honor to meet you in thunderdome and settle this difference the old fashioned barbaric way :shock:

Until then and as long as you post this crap - I am riding you all the way....................yeah
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Unread postby evilmonkeyspanker » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 01:01:13

Oh my god, I am now physically Ill, that is the most horrible discusting thing I am ever seen. Seriously I think I might throw up how could anyone watch that do that or even think about that. OH MY FUCKIN GOD
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Unread postby DefiledEngine » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 01:01:49

Since when are coalition (I'm assuming US et al) forces in Nepal? Aren't you trying to degrade Iraqi rebels?
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Unread postby evilmonkeyspanker » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 01:06:16

Anybody, that would do that to another living person for any reason, is NOT human and they do not have any rights to life. Those that would do that, are the worst part of humanity and prove that GOD DOES NOT EXIST
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Unread postby evilmonkeyspanker » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 01:16:03

I would also like to add that anybody that would defend such an act for any reason does not deserve to live either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: "Freedom fighters"? No, savages.

Unread postby UIUCstudent01 » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 01:18:41

Anyone who participates in war becomes a savage and forever loses a part of their humanity forever.... and seeing that done as well...

Just because we can kill 100 miles away doesn't make the death any less of a tragedy... it's just more bearable to do... button-pushing is so much easier on the mind..

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It's ironic Specop, but do you see the connection in your insistence against gun control (for protection and) for revolution when the government gets out of hand could very much lead to these results.

Don't underestimate the anti-any-war insistence on solving things peacefully. It's not all wishy-washy liberal crap.... savagery is possible for any tribe of people.
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Unread postby k_semler » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 02:06:49

Yeah, because Neville Chamberlin's strategy of Appeasement worked wonders, didn't it? "Peace in our time" huh? By any chance, did you just happen to get a letter from the Der Fuhrer saying that he won't attack you? Keep watching the skies, and listen for that drone of the VZG-76. Hopefully you will soon follow the strategy of Winston Churchill. Hopefully before the de a4 is fully deployed against you. You can't even hear those until they have passed you. Hopefully your strategy of Appeasement won't end up with you bowing down to Der Fuhrer, or getting sent to Treblinka for political dissent. Always renember: Arbeit Macht Frei.
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Re: "Freedom fighters"? No, savages.

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 02:13:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DefiledEngine', 'S')ince when are coalition (I'm assuming US et al) forces in Nepal? Aren't you trying to degrade Iraqi rebels?


Degrade?
Perhaps you've missed all the newscasts of Iraqi terrorists chopping off heads.
Islamic terrorists are all the same. Doesnt matter where they are, their nothing but the worst of savages and deserve nothing but a bullet.
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Re: "Freedom fighters"? No, savages.

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 02:18:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'N')o need to define the word "savage" as I know exactly what you are.

cheering them on and admitting what they represent is two different things completely.

You dont understand the method to the madness yet I assure you there is one.

Perhaps you forget that the US trained osama.
Maybe you dont understand the implications of the iran contra scandal.
You probably expect anyone with beef to line up on the battle field like "real men" so the vastly superior US military can wage an unfair "conventional" war/slaughter.
How better is this then hiroshima and nagasaki?
How better is this then the many 1000's of women and children who died during the iraq invasion.
The majority -Poor plebes with no choice at all.

Maybe you have forgotten the words of the founding fathers that you seem to wish to emulate and what those words truly mean.
You are not a patriot - you are a misguided racist zealot with a gun.

It would be my most distinguished honor to meet you in thunderdome and settle this difference the old fashioned barbaric way :shock:

Until then and as long as you post this crap - I am riding you all the way....................yeah


Your not "riding' anything. In fact, your simply looking like an ignorant fool.
But you go ahead and "keep my feet to the flames" to qoute another board poster.
Granted, the guy in question FLAT OUT DENIED scientific facts. And you would try to apply your own completely warped inaccurate views of the world to my posts as well, and pass them off as facts.

Thats ok. Its amusing to me. :)
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Unread postby Macsporan » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 02:19:58

If the Iraqi insurgents are that monstrous as you say, it really, really, really is your clear, patroitic duty as a right-thinking American male of military age to join the army and fight them, the moment you've finished with those looters in New Orleans. :shock:

Go on, what are you waiting for? :lol:

We're all waiting for you to put your money where your mouth is. :roll:
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 02:25:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Macsporan', 'I')f the Iraqi insurgents are that monstrous as you say, it really, really, really is your clear, patroitic duty as a right-thinking American male of military age to join the army and fight them, the moment you've finished with those looters in New Orleans. :shock:

Go on, what are you waiting for? :lol:

We're all waiting for you to put your money where your mouth is. :roll:


Please post where I've "set money on the table" to put where my mouth is?
I really have no idea what your talking about. :?: :?: :?:
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Unread postby OZ_DOC » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 02:32:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DefiledEngine', 'S')ince when are coalition (I'm assuming US et al) forces in Nepal? Aren't you trying to degrade Iraqi rebels?


Degrade?
Perhaps you've missed all the newscasts of Iraqi terrorists chopping off heads.
Islamic terrorists are all the same. Doesnt matter where they are, their nothing but the worst of savages and deserve nothing but a bullet.


Well perhaps you have missed recent newscast of US soldiers smashing uncharged, untried iraq prisoners legs with baseball bats for stress relief. The sooner we realize that the inhumanity of war and conflict drives some "people" from all sides to commit atrocities the better. I defend none of them. I certainly dont defend the war itself. However anyone who thinks it is so black and white that islamic soldiers commit atrocities and US dont is deluded.

As i see it the only real difference is that the US, through use force are exacting revenge for those acts against them. Whereas so far, with the exception of two charges ove abu ghraib incidents, US indiscretions remain uninvestigated. How can you even begin to judge the moral superiority of a baghdad "Shock and Awe" blitz against the 9/11 attacks. They both killed thousands of unaware civilians, Neither attacked strictly military targets. Both were pre-emptive strikes, against a perceived enemy. And most importantly both are completely indefesible from a moral standing.
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Re: "Freedom fighters"? No, savages.

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 02:43:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OZ_DOC', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DefiledEngine', 'S')ince when are coalition (I'm assuming US et al) forces in Nepal? Aren't you trying to degrade Iraqi rebels?


Degrade?
Perhaps you've missed all the newscasts of Iraqi terrorists chopping off heads.
Islamic terrorists are all the same. Doesnt matter where they are, their nothing but the worst of savages and deserve nothing but a bullet.


Well perhaps you have missed recent newscast of US soldiers smashing uncharged, untried iraq prisoners legs with baseball bats for stress relief.


Sure have. Link? I'll bet 5 bucks its either completely made up bullshit, or 1 individual whos now in the brig awaiting charges.
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Unread postby k_semler » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 02:46:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Macsporan', 'I')f the Iraqi insurgents are that monstrous as you say, it really, really, really is your clear, patriotic duty as a right-thinking American male of military age to join the army and fight them, the moment you've finished with those looters in New Orleans. :shock:

Go on, what are you waiting for? :lol:

We're all waiting for you to put your money where your mouth is. :roll:


I tried several times. They won't let me in. Probably a good thing too, because I would be far worse than lindy england even dreamed of doing. (Shoot them in the balls, and let em bleed out.) If you thought a dog chain was bad, what do you think of actual torture? And yes, there is only one reason why I would do it: VENGEANCE!! Also, if it were up to me, "Looting" and "New Orleans" wouldn't ever been in even the same paragraph. If they are stealing food or basic supplies to survive, fine by me. I could care less if they steal a loaf of bread, underwear, MREs, et cetera. If they are stealing non-essential consumer goods for purposes other than immediate survival, then it's time for a little good old fashoned street justice.
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Unread postby evilmonkeyspanker » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 02:57:21

This is truly sad, Violence no matter the reason is evil, I don't understand how anyone can feel this way. There should be no war, there should be no insurgents. I will not defend my country nor will I defend those oversees. I think the human race in continuing to prove to its self that it has not hit rock bottom and is continuing to find newer and more inovative way to dig the hole a little deeper. In my year growing up, I have only killed one thing, and to this day it haunts me. In all my years I have never seen anything remotely as terrible as the beheading I watched in specops' video. I am not going to standup and defend specop nor am I going to critisise him, like so many on here already do. All I can say is I wish I had never seen that video and I feel I lost a piece of my soul in the process. I hope you all can realize that war, no matter who is at fault or who is innocent is never just and will only further perpetuate more evil
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Unread postby OZ_DOC » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 02:59:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')Sure have. Link? I'll bet 5 bucks its either completely made up bullshit, or 1 individual whos now in the brig awaiting charges.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')N.C.-based troops tortured detainees at Iraqi base

By PETER JAMES SPIELMANN
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NEW YORK - Soldiers in the Army's elite 82nd Airborne Division vented their frustration by systematically torturing Iraqi detainees from 2003 into 2004, hitting them with baseball bats and dousing them with chemicals, a U.S. rights group alleges in a new report.

The Human Rights Watch report, issued Friday, was compiled from interviews with a captain and two sergeants who served in a battalion of the North Carolina-based 82nd Airborne that was stationed at a military base called Mercury near Fallujah, the insurgent stronghold retaken by U.S. forces last year.

The soldiers, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the abuse took place almost daily and often came under orders. Anything short of causing an inmate's death was allowed, they said.

The residents of Fallujah, 40 miles west of Baghdad, nicknamed soldiers at the nearby base "the Murderous Maniacs," New York-based Human Rights Watch said. "The soldiers considered this name a badge of honor."

It said soldiers in the elite 82nd Airborne deprived detainees of sleep, food and water, subjected them to extreme heat and cold, stacked prisoners in human pyramids, kicked them in the face, and put chemicals on exposed skin and eyes.

One of the sergeants allegedly told the group that military intelligence personnel, eager for information, often instructed soldiers to "smoke" detainees _ called Persons Under Control or PUCs _ during questioning, the report said. "Smoking" prisoners meant physically abusing them until they lost consciousness.

But the motive was not always to gain intelligence, one sergeant was quoted as saying.

"Everyone in camp knew if you wanted to work out your frustration you show up at the PUC tent. In a way it was sport," he reportedly said.

"One day (another sergeant) shows up and tells a PUC to grab a pole. He told him to bend over and broke the guy's leg with a mini-Louisville Slugger, a metal bat."

The soldier said anything short of death was acceptable.

"As long as no PUCs came up dead, it happened," he said. "We kept it to broken arms and legs."

The timing of some of the alleged tortures coincided with the prisoner abuse by American forces at Abu Ghraib near Baghdad in fall of 2003.

"These soldiers' firsthand accounts provide further evidence contradicting claims that abuse of detainees by U.S. forces was isolated or spontaneous," the report said. "The accounts here suggest that the mistreatment of prisoners by the U.S. military is even more widespread than has been acknowledged to date, including among troops belonging to some of the best trained, most decorated, and highly respected units in the U.S. Army."

The soldiers quoted in the report expressed much confusion about what types of treatment were allowed under the Geneva Conventions, which bar mistreatment of prisoners of war or civilian detainees. They said senior officers provided little guidance.

Defense Department spokesman Lt. Col. John Skinner criticized the report as a predictable effort to try to "advance an agenda through the use of distortions and errors in fact."

Skinner said the military has investigated all credible allegations of detainee abuse and "looked at all aspects of detention operations under a microscope."

The Army said Friday it had opened an investigation into one soldier's allegations that he witnessed and heard about widespread prisoner abuse, including torture and a beating with a baseball bat, while serving at a base in Iraq.

The captain said his complaints were ignored for 17 months, and he was denied a pass to leave the 82nd Airborne's base in Fort Bragg after planning to meet with Senate staff members, it said.

Army officials said, however, they began their investigation into the matter as soon as it came to their attention.

Army spokesman Paul Boyce said the soldier, whose name was not released, told superiors about the allegations and was referred to the Army's Criminal Investigation Command. The investigation began at least two weeks ago, he said.

Boyce said the soldier is allowed to contact or visit members of Congress or their staff but was stopped from traveling to Washington from Fort Bragg in North Carolina on one instance because he had not requested administrative leave or a pass to leave the base.

The New York Times reported Saturday that Capt. Ian Fishback of the 82nd Airborne had raised the complaints of abuse in letters to the staff of Sens. John Warner of Virginia and John McCain of Arizona, both senior Republicans on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Human Rights Watch harshly criticized the U.S. military in its report, saying it has launched investigations and prosecutions of lower-ranking personnel for detainee abuse. But in most cases, the military used closed administrative hearings where they handed down light administrative punishments such as pay reductions and reprimands, instead of criminal prosecutions before courts-martial.

"The military has made no effort to conduct a broader criminal investigation focusing on how military command might have been involved in reported abuse, and the administration continues to insist that reported abuse had nothing to do with the administration's decisions on the applicability of the Geneva Conventions or with any approved interrogation techniques," it said.

The group called for Congress to create a special commission to investigate the issue.

The Abu Ghraib scandal touched off a firestorm of criticism when photos of some of the abuse became public a year ago. Iraqi detainees were physically abused and sexually humiliated by military police and intelligence soldiers in the fall of 2003.

Some of the photos showed naked prisoners stacked in human pyramids or on dog leashes. The Pentagon has characterized it as acts of bored military police working the overnight shift.

The U.S. military has since opened 400 investigations of prisoner abuse allegations, and 230 soldiers have been court-martialed or faced nonjudicial punishment or another administrative action.

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Associated Press writers Lolita C. Baldor in Washington, T.A. Badger in Fort Hood, Texas, and Larry McShane in New York contributed to this report


"The U.S. military has since opened 400 investigations of prisoner abuse" If there are 400 investigations i'd hazard a conservative estimate of at least twice as many incidents of abuse, and these are only abuses of prisoners.

The point is it is so naive an assumption that any one group of people have a monoply on atrocities and abuse. The fact that you need a news link to know that is a little sad. None of these acts are defensible and yet they are an inevitable part of war. Military planners know that. Its like the governor of texas ordering 2 million to evacuate texas and then complaining that nobody could have foreseen gas shortages. Its patently absurd and only a head firmly ensconced in the alimentary canal could possibly result in these sorts of world views.
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Unread postby DefiledEngine » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 03:13:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Sure have. Link? I'll bet 5 bucks its either completely made up bullshit, or 1 individual whos now in the brig awaiting charges.


Perhaps you missed all those newspieces on Abu Gharib etc? Or do you think that just because one or a couple of individuals did something bad, there's no reason to attack all people of a community?
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Unread postby katkinkate » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 03:41:38

What's the difference between a beheading and a bullet to the brain? You're just as dead either way and neither is as painful as many other ways to go. A sword/machette or a gun? Neither is more or less honourable or humane.

Is the outrage because of the method or the (assumed) nationality/race of the victim?
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 25 Sep 2005, 03:52:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DefiledEngine', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Sure have. Link? I'll bet 5 bucks its either completely made up bullshit, or 1 individual whos now in the brig awaiting charges.


Perhaps you missed all those newspieces on Abu Gharib etc? Or do you think that just because one or a couple of individuals did something bad, there's no reason to attack all people of a community?


So i stand slightly corrected.

"The U.S. military has since opened 400 investigations of prisoner abuse allegations, and 230 soldiers have been court-martialed or faced nonjudicial punishment or another administrative action. "

Its a group of people facing court martials.

And how many Islamofacists are awaiting jail time for chopping off peoples heads?
*crickets*

Thought so.
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