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The best thing to do with $5000

Unread postby deconstructionist » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 11:04:32

Got married in July. We put some of the money into a CD. I now realize this was sort of a bad move--only will get $650 back on the $5000 in 3 years! We can pull the money out of the CD now and still have about 99% of the $5000... So what's the best thing to do with it?

Things I'm considering:
1. Paying off a bunch of debt. If we can eliminate a credit card or two we'll have more money in our budget each month.
2. Investing in Euros. The future of the dollar frightens me...
3. Investing in gold. Nice and shiny and pretty, but what value is it going to have post-peak? You can't eat it or heat your house with it.
4. Vegas baby!! :wink:

Anyone have insights/other suggestions?

Thanks
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Re: The best thing to do with $5000

Unread postby NeoPeasant » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 11:12:30

It seems kind of silly to be using cash for measly CD interest while you have an outstanding credit card debt.

I lived frugally and dumped all the cash I could into my debts. Now I don't have any, except my mortgage which I am paying off on a 5 year accelerated schedule.
if TSHTF before the mortgage is paid off, I will suffer whatever penalties to get my retirement money out to finish the payoff.
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Re: The best thing to do with $5000

Unread postby RonMN » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 11:18:48

I agree...pay off debt! I wouldn't be so worried about a mortgage ($5000 wont go to far paying off a mortgage), but definately get rid of those credit card or car payments as fast as you can.
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Re: The best thing to do with $5000

Unread postby Jake_old » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 11:35:19

yes pay off debt, I think Neopeasent is in good shape. I look at it like this,

If you have no debt but no house you are a peasent

If you have debt you are a slave

I'd rather be a peasent than a slave (and that is probably how it will pan out). :)
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Re: The best thing to do with $5000

Unread postby ChadP » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:12:15

Agreed on the debt. It's interest is probably much greater than the CD's interest, so you are losing money by not paying it off. And then use the extra money you get to pay off the rest of the debt. I don't know what a good investment is these days, but I do know that thousands of CC debt isn't any good at all.
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Re: The best thing to do with $5000

Unread postby gnm » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:20:46

Even if you have a house you are a serf - forget to pay your tribute (property tax) and they take it...

Paying off debt is always a good idea - but if you think we are headed into severe inflation you might sit on the debt a while and buy gold (that you can hold in your hand not bonds) because the debt will be smaller in a relative sense as the dollar loses value. Of course so will your paycheck! 8O

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Re: The best thing to do with $5000

Unread postby kenohio » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 13:06:16

Yep, pay off that debt. Get your freedom back as fast as you can.
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Re: The best thing to do with $5000

Unread postby Heineken » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 13:09:37

I have no debt of any sort, and I don't believe in it, but I'm curious:

Why would those who do have debt and who think we are headed for collapse want to pay it off?

How would collection be enforced in a collapsing society? Historically, debt is written off under such circumstances. The organizations that issue it cease to exist or are drastically reshaped.
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Re: The best thing to do with $5000

Unread postby deconstructionist » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 13:15:10

thanks for your advice, folks. i appreciate the insight.
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Re: The best thing to do with $5000

Unread postby strider3700 » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 13:24:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I') have no debt of any sort, and I don't believe in it, but I'm curious:

Why would those who do have debt and who think we are headed for collapse want to pay it off?

How would collection be enforced in a collapsing society? Historically, debt is written off under such circumstances. The organizations that issue it cease to exist or are drastically reshaped.


Because there is always the chance that the organization that issued it will sell it off to someone else. That person may not be anywhere near as nice as a bank and may simply reclaim most of the property.

This is the hardest question I have about PO. I've decided to take what I think is the safest route out.

Oh and I also recommend you use the 5k to pay down any debts that you can.

I have mortgage debt, enough that I can't pay it off in less then 7 years. So I have a slushfund holding about 1 years worth of morgage payments and living expenses. Most of my extra money is going into improving the house. This way if things get ugly I won't be with the first wave to go broke. Hopefully they will write off the debts before I run out of slushfund.
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Re: The best thing to do with $5000

Unread postby Trindelm » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 13:32:50

considering the direction of our economy and perhaps civilisation as a whole, should I just withdraw all my 401K which will pay off all my debt?
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Re: The best thing to do with $5000

Unread postby Jake_old » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 13:37:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')eineken wrote:
"I have no debt of any sort, and I don't believe in it, but I'm curious:

Why would those who do have debt and who think we are headed for collapse want to pay it off?

How would collection be enforced in a collapsing society? Historically, debt is written off under such circumstances. The organizations that issue it cease to exist or are drastically reshaped."


Because there is always the chance that the organization that issued it will sell it off to someone else. That person may not be anywhere near as nice as a bank and may simply reclaim most of the property.

This is the hardest question I have about PO. I've decided to take what I think is the safest route out.

Oh and I also recommend you use the 5k to pay down any debts that you can.

I have mortgage debt, enough that I can't pay it off in less then 7 years. So I have a slushfund holding about 1 years worth of morgage payments and living expenses. Most of my extra money is going into improving the house. This way if things get ugly I won't be with the first wave to go broke. Hopefully they will write off the debts before I run out of slushfund.


yes

It also depends on your view of collapse, many i think here, think that the consumer economy will collapse but there will still be society, criminal thieves and professional, legal thieves like banks, loan sharks etc.

good idea with the slush fund strider.
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Re: The best thing to do with $5000

Unread postby Bedevere » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 15:24:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deconstructionist', '2'). Investing in Euros. The future of the dollar frightens me...
3. Investing in gold. Nice and shiny and pretty, but what value is it going to have post-peak? You can't eat it or heat your house with it.

If you are not confident in the future of the dollar (and many aren't), find investments that are not made in dollars or ones that will benefit from a declining dollar. Euros are an excellent choice, Canadian dollars are good too...although not as good imo because the Canadian economy is likely to go down if the American economy does, whereas EU is more independent. In the short term they are both good options. I would also say gold because its value will go up when the real estate bubble pops. In the long term it's anyone's guess....
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Re: The best thing to do with $5000

Unread postby MacG » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 16:24:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deconstructionist', 'G')ot married in July. We put some of the money into a CD. I now realize this was sort of a bad move--only will get $650 back on the $5000 in 3 years! We can pull the money out of the CD now and still have about 99% of the $5000... So what's the best thing to do with it?

Things I'm considering:
1. Paying off a bunch of debt. If we can eliminate a credit card or two we'll have more money in our budget each month.
2. Investing in Euros. The future of the dollar frightens me...
3. Investing in gold. Nice and shiny and pretty, but what value is it going to have post-peak? You can't eat it or heat your house with it.
4. Vegas baby!! :wink:

Anyone have insights/other suggestions?

Thanks


Go read Dmitry Orlov. He provide rather serious input.
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Re: The best thing to do with $5000

Unread postby marko » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 16:39:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'W')hy would those who do have debt and who think we are headed for collapse want to pay it off?

How would collection be enforced in a collapsing society? Historically, debt is written off under such circumstances. The organizations that issue it cease to exist or are drastically reshaped.


I think that we are ultimately headed for civilization collapse, but long before that happens, I think that millions of indebted Americans will go bankrupt when we go into a deep recession or depression.

The US government has shown (e.g. by the recent bankruptcy bill) that it is committed to defending the interests of the owners of capital at the expense of most of the people. I think that the US government will enforce the terms of the new bankruptcy law, which basically turns people who can't repay their debts into potentially lifelong indentured servants, or modern serfs, to their creditors.

This new bankruptcy bill makes any kind of debt, including mortgage debt, a real threat to the freedom of the debtor.

As for the possibility that inflation will rescue debtors, I see this as very doubtful. Again, the US government and the Federal Reserve Bank (Fed) have proven their allegiance to the financial interests. If inflation threatens, the Fed will raise interest rates to defend the dollar. This will only make life harder for debtors.

Eventually, I believe that US government insolvency will lead to a round of hyperinflation, but I think that this is several years down the road and that something will be done in the meantime to indemnify the financial interests from the effects of this hyperinflation, perhaps by allowing them to charge interest on private debts that would compensate for the effects of inflation. (I am potentially talking about million percent interest rates here.)
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Re: The best thing to do with $5000

Unread postby Pops » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 19:08:22

Save it for your next tank of gas?


Seriously, pay off debt

Nice fat shareholders of any type of lending entity make sure every deadbeat on the books is dealt with; and that’s today. I can’t understand why people think when the walls were coming down, all of a sudden the investors will simply start eating each other and forget that you owe them money.

Then there is the hyperinflation story that blithely says you’ll pay off those loans with your inflated (cheaper) income – as if your income is guaranteed to inflate. Has anyone received a raise this year equal to the inflation in energy costs?

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Re: The best thing to do with $5000

Unread postby Heineken » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 22:39:47

I think the average individual debt for credit cards alone is north of $5,000. And millions of Americans don't own their homes, they own mortgages.

In a major collapse scenario, is the government or the banks, what's left of either of them, going to go around throwing millions of Americans out of their unlivable homes? Are the banks, what's left of them, going to send around legbreakers to smash all the defaulted credit-card debtors?

I think we'll all be engaged in a day-to-day struggle for survival. There will be no resources for a witch-hunt for repayment of "debt" left over from a shell game that has ended forever.

The debt isn't real because money isn't real. Banks loan it into existence out of thin air; it's backed by nothing but the unfulfillable promise of endless growth based on cheap energy.
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Re: The best thing to do with $5000

Unread postby Pops » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 23:07:25

But Heineken you keep referring to banks as if people didn’t own them - people who have a stake in their equity disappearing.

People own banks – it isn’t one or two cigar-smoking fat cat we all imagine or the infamous fractional banking system – stockholders actually have equity in those corporations.

Debt IS real because people signed the note – what else is there?


And yea, I think Guido with the crooked nose will be out in force – especially in a collapse scenario.

What is to stop him?
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Re: The best thing to do with $5000

Unread postby falser » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 23:10:20

I concur with others, pay off any credit cards. Unless you are a stock market genius there is no safe investment that can earn enough to cover monthly credit card bills (assuming you have $5000 or more in credit card debt). Not even gold will perform this well - buy gold only after you've paid off your non-mortgage debt.
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Re: The best thing to do with $5000

Unread postby aldente » Fri 23 Sep 2005, 01:35:20

I knew it already back in the days that the move from LP's to CD's was a bad one...
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