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Blind Sense of Entitlement

Postby ejacob3 » Tue 20 Sep 2005, 09:47:34

It is interesting to speak with people about just living sometimes. It seems to me that everyone has a sense of entitlement or a right to something due to their accomplishments.

Example, if I went to college, do I have an entitlement to a job with a pension?

If I live in America, do I have the natural born right to home and car ownership?

The scary thing is that the last few generations blindly believe in entitlement rights. It seems to me that their thinking is completely tunnel vision and they cannot think of any other type of existence.

Funny to think that most Americans have no clue as to how the rest of the world lives. I didn't get my first eye opener until I went to Africa for an extended holiday with the Marines in the early nineties.

Since then my thinking has expanded to not only the living of the out of sight and out of mind but the unborn. Stop and think about future generations and what they're entitlements are. Are we justified in our wants and needs and entitlements or are we hypocrites preaching do unto others if they are looking and screw them if they are not.

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Re: Blind Sense of Entitlement

Postby sdcoyote » Tue 20 Sep 2005, 10:37:15

While those individuals who think the world owes them a living bother me...what bothers me even more is corporations who harbor this sense of entitlement bother me even more.

WalMart just moved to our town. The received tax breaks, road construction (stop lights, etc) and all manner of "entitlements" so they would come here to do business.

Folks give wealthy, corporate NFL owners all kinds of goodies to bring in a team.

The sense of entitlement you are talking about really travels all the way up the food chain.
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Re: Blind Sense of Entitlement

Postby Eli » Tue 20 Sep 2005, 16:42:59

ejac

I am right there with you. Anyone born after the great depression does not know what life can be like.

I think this true in Europe and the US.

My grandfather stole milk off of front porches to feed his starving little brother. They used the top of Crisco cans for plates and used tin cans for cups and at one point were forced to eat Opossum just to survive.

The problem is that if you asked people about the great depression many would have no idea what you were talking about. The ones that did know would have no concept of how bad the depression actually was and think that it can never happen again.

We are all in for a very rude awakening and it is long over due.
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Re: Blind Sense of Entitlement

Postby frankthetank » Tue 20 Sep 2005, 17:21:38

I've noticed that a lot of the high school aged kids i come in contact with think that they will live the same way there parents do. Go to college, find a good paying job, big house, suv.

I think a lot of them don't realize the amt of debt that the parents have.

To assume the world owes you something is a mistake. Mother nature doesn't care who you are, where you come from...she'll spit you out just like the next guy.

In the long run, humans are really screwed.
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Re: Blind Sense of Entitlement

Postby Snowrunner » Tue 20 Sep 2005, 17:39:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'I')n the long run, humans are really screwed.


Nah, Humans will be fine, but it will be us, the ones who sit right now in a comfortable chair typing to a message board on the internet, that will have a rude awakening.

Sure, technology can help us, but if we wait until the last moment it won't. And right now I don't see any sign of things to change.
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Re: Blind Sense of Entitlement

Postby hull3551 » Tue 20 Sep 2005, 18:51:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'I')'ve noticed that a lot of the high school aged kids i come in contact with think that they will live the same way there parents do. Go to college, find a good paying job, big house, suv....


I think wha really sucks is how the colleges churn out an overabundance of candidates with degrees only to find out that there aren't enough jobs. And those that do land jobs will be worked like dogs.

I am amazed at my contemporaries that work sixty+ hour work weeks. I guess it's a trade off, but I don't really mind driving a '98 VW and having tons of free time. Suckers.
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Re: Blind Sense of Entitlement

Postby DesertBear2 » Tue 20 Sep 2005, 19:09:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hull3551', '
')I am amazed at my contemporaries that work sixty+ hour work weeks. I guess it's a trade off, but I don't really mind driving a '98 VW and having tons of free time. Suckers.


Ha! An escaped slave.

Call the Bushite Thought Police and intern him at the nearest megachurch.
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Re: Blind Sense of Entitlement

Postby Ludi » Tue 20 Sep 2005, 19:47:52

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I am amazed at my contemporaries that work sixty+ hour work weeks.


I'm completely baffled by people who do this just so they can have a lot of "stuff."

But then, I'm a slacker.
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Re: Blind Sense of Entitlement

Postby frankthetank » Wed 21 Sep 2005, 00:16:55

I work between 35-40hrs...a pay period...

ha...

I get so much crap for it...that there have been a few times where i wanted to tell people to lick my stinky "10+mile road bike ballz"...

I figure i probably will be working the fields someday, might as well enjoy it while i can. No way i'm diving into a new housing unit at this time. Will probably just run into the wilderness or head west and relocate when the neighbors start to act up...wait...before they act up!
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Re: Blind Sense of Entitlement

Postby Snowrunner » Wed 21 Sep 2005, 01:57:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'I') work between 35-40hrs...a pay period...

ha...

I get so much crap for it...that there have been a few times where i wanted to tell people to lick my stinky "10+mile road bike ballz"...

I figure i probably will be working the fields someday, might as well enjoy it while i can. No way i'm diving into a new housing unit at this time. Will probably just run into the wilderness or head west and relocate when the neighbors start to act up...wait...before they act up!


Haha, yeah, I had that too, where they came up with the idea that you HAD to work more, thinking more hours worked, more producivity. Pretty much bullocks unless all you do is drop a pin in a bucket etc.

What's worse for me right now, even if I WANTED to work 60+ hour weeks, there isn't even enough for me to do, and most people I know who DO work those insane hours go for two hour lunches, one hour coffee breaks, 20 minutes for a cig....

So they buy all this stuff, and then spend all the time at work...... :roll:
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Re: Blind Sense of Entitlement

Postby hull3551 » Wed 21 Sep 2005, 12:43:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')I'm completely baffled by people who do this just so they can have a lot of "stuff."


It’s a trap and unfortunately most people buy into it. Your company almost wants you to buy the nice flashy auto and the big house in the ‘burbs with a hefty mortgage. You’re trapped and you’re bound to indentured servitude until the company decides they don’t need you anymore and fire you.

As soon as you buy into that first car or house that relies upon a nice income you’re screwed. Kiss your freedom goodbye. Work from home on the weekend and keep your cell phone on. If you want to piss your boss off, don't get a cell phone or answer e-mails/calls on the weekend.

My view: Never live a lifestyle based on more than ten bucks an hour. Anything more is gravy. Or never acquire more than you can fit in a 15’ Budget rental truck.

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Re: Blind Sense of Entitlement

Postby ejacob3 » Wed 21 Sep 2005, 13:39:58

I think that I have finally found a group of slacker heretics that think like me.

I personally idolize the African Bushman way of life. They are true nomatic land romers whom all over our DNA can be traced back to.

I think I will have to be more of a Mad Max pycopath in order to survive though. It is a completely crass way to think but the survial will depend on a brute force with no mercy.
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Re: Blind Sense of Entitlement

Postby strider3700 » Wed 21 Sep 2005, 14:14:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hull3551', '
')My view: Never live a lifestyle based on more than ten bucks an hour. Anything more is gravy.


My view exactly, I purchased a house based on 40 hours a week at $10/hour will allow me to make payments, keep the lights and telephone on and put some form of food on the table. I borrow nothing else and hope to never take another loan. The extra $15/hour I currently get is spent on aquiring stuff that brings down the current costs and/or paying down the mortgage even faster.

How the world lives with something like debt hanging over their heads I don't know. My mortgage is tiny compaired to many and it keeps me up at times.
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Re: Blind Sense of Entitlement

Postby Snowrunner » Wed 21 Sep 2005, 16:42:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', 'H')ow the world lives with something like debt hanging over their heads I don't know. My mortgage is tiny compaired to many and it keeps me up at times.


Ignorance is bliss. I don't have a mortgage, just a car payment, and even that bugs me at times because I don't really like it.

BUT for the majority of people, they just look just in front of their feet, so at the end of the day they don't see what lies ahead and that's when they get into trouble.

I hate debt, and I'll drive the car until it falls apart, and if it does I don't think I'll buy a new car again.
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Re: Blind Sense of Entitlement

Postby cube » Wed 21 Sep 2005, 18:54:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ejacob3', 'I')t is interesting to speak with people about just living sometimes. It seems to me that everyone has a sense of entitlement or a right to something due to their accomplishments.
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I don't think people in general feel they are "entitled" to anything (except for liberals :P )....However I do believe MOST people have this wonderfully child like naive notion that life will always get better. The economy will go up. The standard of living will go up. Technology will advance and deliver new convienences for mankind. Sure there may be a couple road bumps along the way but the general direction is up. That's what most people think And it's not just young highschool kids who have this "child-like" dream but also old people = baby boomers. They have no better sense of reality.

I believe life works in a wave pattern. We could be at the top of a crest right now. The thought of the quality of life going downhill is unthinkable to these people. I guess they're going to get a real shock. And first wave of people who will get this shock will be baby boomers expecting their $1500/month social security payments. Sure they'll get their money.....(after the fed runs the printing press), by the time it's all said and done that $1500 check will be worth less then Canadian money. :-D
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Re: Blind Sense of Entitlement

Postby Ludi » Wed 21 Sep 2005, 20:53:36

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I think I will have to be more of a Mad Max pycopath in order to survive though. It is a completely crass way to think but the survial will depend on a brute force with no mercy.


I dunno...I'm probably naive, but I tend to think survival will depend on getting along well with our neighbors, especially if they own guns....
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Re: Blind Sense of Entitlement

Postby I_Like_Plants » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 01:47:06

I dunno, I grew up in the 1970s, not the Great Depression but pretty godamned close. Hunger, walking everywhere, no money, cleaning a yard or anything I could do so the family could eat thanks to my 14-year old self, etc. I didn't get a drivers license until I was 30, although I did have a motorcycle and license for that when I was 22 or 23 I forget. Much cheaper vehicle.

There are a whole lot of us who are hard as nails, have slept on the floor because we could not afford a bed, scrounged dumpsters, worked 60 hours at a job that used to be considered skilled work and still is but is paid shit, and learned early and were reminded often that if you're white, everything you do is considered a crime and everything you have is considered stolen from those of more "worthy" skin colors.

We will be the shock troops of the future!
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Re: Blind Sense of Entitlement

Postby pilferage » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 02:28:17

OP, you are human. You are entitled to one thing. Death. :-D
"Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. "
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Re: Blind Sense of Entitlement

Postby GoIllini » Mon 26 Sep 2005, 18:04:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'I') dunno, I grew up in the 1970s, not the Great Depression but pretty godamned close. Hunger, walking everywhere, no money, cleaning a yard or anything I could do so the family could eat thanks to my 14-year old self, etc. I didn't get a drivers license until I was 30, although I did have a motorcycle and license for that when I was 22 or 23 I forget. Much cheaper vehicle.

There are a whole lot of us who are hard as nails, have slept on the floor because we could not afford a bed, scrounged dumpsters, worked 60 hours at a job that used to be considered skilled work and still is but is paid shit, and learned early and were reminded often that if you're white, everything you do is considered a crime and everything you have is considered stolen from those of more "worthy" skin colors.

We will be the shock troops of the future!


Did you live in the U.S? My parents talk about the '70s like they were just a so-so period in the economy, and that most people did OK- especially if they were college graduates.

Were your parents white-collar folks?
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Re: Blind Sense of Entitlement

Postby medicvet » Fri 30 Sep 2005, 08:40:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')here have been a few times where i wanted to tell people to lick my stinky "10+mile road bike ballz"...


that HAS to be the best insult I have seen in a long time! heh.

I think that those who grew up poor might be more adaptable, even if they are no longer poor..simply because of more experience doing without.

I have at least managed to teach my kids that there is a great deal of fun and no shame in going thrift store shopping tho! So much so that my daughter really enjoys inviting one of her girlfriends to go with us to the city on our thriftstore shopping excursions, and helping them 'discover' thrift stores. The best ones are the ones that let you try on the clothes, but I remember when I grew up there were three good thrift stores (two of which are still there) within blocks of the beach, and although they didn't have changing areas, there were lots of times I would go in and take off my tshirt and shorts with my bathing suit underneath, then try on clothes over the bathing suit. ;)
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