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Financial concerns for 2006

Postby caysal » Thu 15 Sep 2005, 09:59:41

Delta, Northwest, United and US Airways all in bankruptcy.
Industry net losses of $32.3 billion since 2001. General Motors posted first quarter loses for 2005 at 1.1 billion. We have all but lost a premier city and the cost of Katrina continues. As of this morning the cost of the Iraq war is $194,497,500,000 and counting, and the best juggling act in Federal Reserve history is about to retire. Is a financial crash eminent?

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Re: Financial concerns for 2006

Postby LadyRuby » Thu 15 Sep 2005, 10:05:47

It seems overdue to me, but what do I know.
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Re: Financial concerns for 2006

Postby RdSnt » Thu 15 Sep 2005, 10:15:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('caysal', 'D')elta, Northwest, United and US Airways all in bankruptcy.
Industry net losses of $32.3 billion since 2001. General Motors posted first quarter loses for 2005 at 1.1 billion. We have all but lost a premier city and the cost of Katrina continues. As of this morning the cost of the Iraq war is $194,497,500,000 and counting, and the best juggling act in Federal Reserve history is about to retire. Is a financial crash eminent?

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Seems that large corporations are using bankruptcy as a new way of doing business. You'll notice the airlines are still flying, the only real difference is they get to cancel their obligations to employee pensions and force the employees to take drastic pay cuts.
You'll see Ford and GM doing the same thing in short order. Do an end run around hapless union organizations and cancel pension and medical obligations.
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Re: Financial concerns for 2006

Postby FoxV » Thu 15 Sep 2005, 10:44:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RdSnt', 'S')eems that large corporations are using bankruptcy as a new way of doing business. You'll notice the airlines are still flying, the only real difference is they get to cancel their obligations to employee pensions and force the employees to take drastic pay cut

all of which won't change with the new bankruptcy laws I'm sure
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Re: Financial concerns for 2006

Postby ohanian » Thu 15 Sep 2005, 10:54:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RdSnt', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('caysal', 'D')elta, Northwest, United and US Airways all in bankruptcy.
Industry net losses of $32.3 billion since 2001. General Motors posted first quarter loses for 2005 at 1.1 billion. We have all but lost a premier city and the cost of Katrina continues. As of this morning the cost of the Iraq war is $194,497,500,000 and counting, and the best juggling act in Federal Reserve history is about to retire. Is a financial crash eminent?

"A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five." :?
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Seems that large corporations are using bankruptcy as a new way of doing business. You'll notice the airlines are still flying, the only real difference is they get to cancel their obligations to employee pensions and force the employees to take drastic pay cuts.
You'll see Ford and GM doing the same thing in short order. Do an end run around hapless union organizations and cancel pension and medical obligations.


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CYBERPUNK 2013

In it, the large corporations rule the world and Governments are in the pay pocket of the corporations and the masses of people are truely screwed by the corporations with monopolies, patents and DRM. The the corps have scant regard for human dignity or human lives and fought amoung each other for raw resources. And don't forget, the best legal system money can buy.

Guess what? It felt like CYBERPUNK 2013 right now, maybe give it another 5 years.
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Re: Financial concerns for 2006

Postby MrBill » Thu 15 Sep 2005, 10:58:53

<Iraq war is $194,497,500,000>

Wow, that is almost the GDP of America for 20-years? It sure adds up fast doesn't it? :)
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Re: Financial concerns for 2006

Postby JoeW » Thu 15 Sep 2005, 11:23:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('caysal', ' ')Is a financial crash eminent?


It may not be eminent, but I believe a recession is imminent.
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Re: Financial concerns for 2006

Postby JoeW » Thu 15 Sep 2005, 11:27:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', '&')lt;Iraq war is $194,497,500,000>

Wow, that is almost the GDP of America for 20-years? It sure adds up fast doesn't it? :)


I'm not sure where you are getting your data, but the number above is about $194B and the US GDP is about $11T. $194B represents less than 2% of GDP, and less than 10% of the annual US federal budget.

It is still a large expense, but there's no need to embellish.
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Re: Financial concerns for 2006

Postby oilluber » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 00:35:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JoeW', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', '&')lt;Iraq war is $194,497,500,000>

Wow, that is almost the GDP of America for 20-years? It sure adds up fast doesn't it? :)


I'm not sure where you are getting your data, but the number above is about $194B and the US GDP is about $11T. $194B represents less than 2% of GDP, and less than 10% of the annual US federal budget.

It is still a large expense, but there's no need to embellish.


The important point is that the US can afford to do
more
systematic demolitions and renovations of the
ghettos and can use up all of their GDP, or
in reality, issue 11 Trillion of US treasuries to the
Japanese and Chinese.

This would solve the desparate housing that
many poor americans live in right now.

After all the renovations are done, then hyperinflate
the US dollar,, thereby ripping off the deserved idiots that
keep on buying US tresuries.

Then, issue a new US world currency that will be
back by gold....(just for now ),,,,, so that the new currency
will be palatable to the world.
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Re: Financial concerns for 2006

Postby dissimulo » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 02:32:26

Whoops - somehow this ended up on the wrong thread.
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