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US Retail Sales Plunge in August

Postby tokyo_to_motueka » Wed 14 Sep 2005, 10:19:57

Retail Sales Plunge in August

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')y THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: September 14, 2005

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Retail sales plunged in August by the largest amount in nearly four years, evidence that the economy was weakening even before Hurricane Katrina struck.

The Commerce Department reported Wednesday that total sales fell by 2.1 percent last month, double the decline that analysts had been expecting. The weakness came from a big 12 percent drop in sales of autos. Excluding autos, retail sales rose 1 percent, but much of that strength reflected a rise in gasoline prices.
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Re: US Retail Sales Plunge in August

Postby LadyRuby » Wed 14 Sep 2005, 10:28:25

Finally some economic numbers that make a little sense.
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Re: US Retail Sales Plunge in August

Postby frankthetank » Wed 14 Sep 2005, 11:03:32

I think the last thing holding this economy together is the retail buying consumer. Once the consumer leaves, the party is over.

GM & Ford are doomed...
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Re: US Retail Sales Plunge in August

Postby ejacob3 » Wed 14 Sep 2005, 11:07:10

DOOMED! Better get right with Jesus and hold your breath for the Rapture.
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Re: US Retail Sales Plunge in August

Postby falser » Wed 14 Sep 2005, 11:25:27

From the CNN article:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')In general, the economy is proving to be resilient to energy and gas price pressure. It's on a growth path," Englund said. "Even though oil prices are higher, the fundamentals of the economy are strong. Therefore, we see consumers' savings rate falling and spending up."


They make it sound like it's a good thing people are spending every penny they make to prop up the economy. Nowhere mentioned is the inevitable fallout from an economy like this. So don't worry everybody, just keep spending and don't worry about the future.
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Re: US Retail Sales Plunge in August

Postby LadyRuby » Wed 14 Sep 2005, 12:21:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('falser', 'F')rom the CNN article:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')In general, the economy is proving to be resilient to energy and gas price pressure. It's on a growth path," Englund said. "Even though oil prices are higher, the fundamentals of the economy are strong. Therefore, we see consumers' savings rate falling and spending up."


They make it sound like it's a good thing people are spending every penny they make to prop up the economy. Nowhere mentioned is the inevitable fallout from an economy like this. So don't worry everybody, just keep spending and don't worry about the future.


It's maddening, how many veterans of the great depression would say how great it is for consumer spending to be up and savings down!!???
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Re: US Retail Sales Plunge in August

Postby FoxV » Wed 14 Sep 2005, 13:01:23

and keep this in perspective that august is usually a pretty big month for retailers because of the back to school shopping
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Re: US Retail Sales Plunge in August

Postby rogerhb » Wed 14 Sep 2005, 14:42:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('falser', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')In general, the economy is proving to be resilient to energy and gas price pressure.


They make it sound like it's a good thing people are spending every penny they make to prop up the economy.


Peoples demand for food and work is going to remain quite resilient [!], this is where we find out how much of the economy is propped up by irrelevant activities.
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Re: US Retail Sales Plunge in August

Postby pup55 » Wed 14 Sep 2005, 14:50:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he biggest increase in spending in August occurred at service stations, a 4.4 percent increase that reflected gasoline prices that have soared past $3 per gallon in many parts of the country.


Well, we know that the increase in average price of gas at the pump, according to the EIA, was 10.1%.

And we also know from the weekly petroleum supply reports that the amount of gas that was pumped was only about 0.3% lower in August than July, so maybe call it the same.

And we also know that 66% of the typical convenience store sales consists of gasoline. We also know that gasoline contributes only 27% to the profits of the typical convenience stores.

So if the sales at service stations increased 4.4%, and gas increased 10.1% there must have been about a 5-6% decrease in purchase of microwave burritos and hotdogs, and this stuff is how these guys make all of their money.

So these numbers should show up in the operating results of the convenience store chains, such as 7-11 etc. and also, in the operating results of the people that make microwave burritos, if such a company can be identified.


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Re: US Retail Sales Plunge in August

Postby drattom » Wed 14 Sep 2005, 21:18:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Q')uote:
"In general, the economy is proving to be resilient to energy and gas price pressure. It's on a growth path," Englund said. "Even though oil prices are higher, the fundamentals of the economy are strong. Therefore, we see consumers' savings rate falling and spending up."


They make it sound like it's a good thing people are spending every penny they make to prop up the economy. Nowhere mentioned is the inevitable fallout from an economy like this. So don't worry everybody, just keep spending and don't worry about the future.


Do you expect the mainstream media telling people that the economy will crash? They will probably remove all commodities from cpi because of the reconstruction of New Orleans.
I predict that in January, the inflation will be in control because the CPI will exclude everything but raining water, snow and air.
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Re: US Retail Sales Plunge in August

Postby mgibbons19 » Wed 14 Sep 2005, 21:50:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('drattom', 'T')hey will probably remove all commodities from cpi because of the reconstruction of New Orleans.
I predict that in January, the inflation will be in control because the CPI will exclude everything but raining water, snow and air.


That's rich. :-D
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Re: US Retail Sales Plunge in August

Postby knightrd » Thu 15 Sep 2005, 01:09:53

They've been fudging economic numbers for a long time now. It's not just something they started doing under the Bush administration.

I've been telling people for a while that savings need to go up while spending goes down. We can't possibly continue to prop the economy up for the robberbarons. I believe very strongly in living a life without credit. A mortgage being the one exception that I can think of.

I can't believe the American public is so brainwashed into believing that this SPEND SPEND SPEND lifestyle can be maintained. I hope more people see the light in time. However, I'm surrounded by people who believe Faux News is the most reliable news source in the world.
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Re: US Retail Sales Plunge in August

Postby RdSnt » Thu 15 Sep 2005, 10:27:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('knightrd', ' ')I hope more people see the light in time. However, I'm surrounded by people who believe Faux News is the most reliable news source in the world.


Oh! it's way too late for that. The US public cannot recover from this in any sort of nice way. The US and its citizenry are in debt so far a complete collapse is inevitable. You can't print enough money to get rid of this load.

BushCo. is going to make some pretty huge concessions to the Chinese, essentially turning their back on Taiwan and Japan. They have no choice, China is too big now and holds the American mortgage.

America has a lot of weapons but is essentially toothless. Whatever action they might take against their "enemies" will cause far more damage at home than to the targets.
While BushCo. may be stupid enough to take military action against Iran, the blowback would destroy the States, and the opposing countries won't have to even raise their voice in anger.
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Re: US Retail Sales Plunge in August

Postby tokyo_to_motueka » Thu 15 Sep 2005, 11:30:44

tracking US retail sales, including certain key sub-categories, between now and Christmas could be mighty interesting. :o
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Re: US Retail Sales Plunge in August

Postby cube » Thu 15 Sep 2005, 20:06:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RdSnt', '.').............
BushCo. is going to make some pretty huge concessions to the Chinese, essentially turning their back on Taiwan and Japan. They have no choice, China is too big now and holds the American mortgage.
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Ha ha forget about Taiwan and Japan, America owes so much money we'd have to sell off California to pay off our debts and even that wouldn't be enough. :-D

As for Iran I find it rather amussing how Bush (the cowboy) is approaching this. His tone of voice is much more sedated now then his "pre-Iraq" days. Back then he had two pistols loaded and ready, now the cowboy looks like he's been hogtied. :-D
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